Don Sholeone wrote: ↑

Sun May 05, 2024 8:09 am

I'm not saying that they should all be allowed to just bet on whatever they want but I think it does need some perspective. The whole thing is still a bit of a mess and not fit for purpose.

I think this latest Tonali thing has been handled perfectly by the independent panel. They have looked at it all in context, they have pointed out how transparent he had been but also factoring in how these bets that included us were just part of larger accumulators and importantly had us to win.

There is a severity level for these breaches and I think it's wrong to just have huge bans for what in context are very low on the severity scale imo. Almost 12 months for backing your team in accumulator bets is ludicrous.

Again not saying they should be allowed to bet, but I think common sense needs to apply here, especially if the league is so commercially reliant on betting companies.

Would anyone really complain at a first offence ban of say 5 games and big fine, with a suspended 6-12 month ban for further infringements?.

bodacious benny wrote: ↑

Thu May 02, 2024 7:37 pm

Don Sholeone wrote: ↑

Thu May 02, 2024 6:30 pm

I don't really buy into that argument, one bet even if it's 10k or whatever is barely going to change odds when in the grand scheme it's going to be nothing in terms of the volume of bets during the week/weekend. I think the influence these individual bets make is vastly overstated here.

Definitely. When you think of how much money is bet nationally or globally on top flight football matches, a single bet (even if it is large) from one person won’t sway market odds.

Don Sholeone wrote: ↑

Thu May 02, 2024 6:30 pm

lassassinblanc wrote: ↑

Thu May 02, 2024 5:00 pm

Lucky boy,

As mentioned before match fixing isn't the only issue it's influencing the market

I don't really buy into that argument, one bet even if it's 10k or whatever is barely going to change odds when in the grand scheme it's going to be nothing in terms of the volume of bets during the week/weekend. I think the influence these individual bets make is vastly overstated here.

lassassinblanc wrote: ↑

Thu May 02, 2024 5:00 pm

Lucky boy,

As mentioned before match fixing isn't the only issue it's influencing the market

Remember Colo wrote: ↑

Thu May 02, 2024 5:51 pm

Don Sholeone wrote: ↑

Thu May 02, 2024 4:27 pm

It's not the length really that's weird to me, I just thought it would have made sense to ban in Italy and for a ban hearing to be held separately to enforce a PL/FA ban.

The whole betting thing is bizarre in football though considering the well covered argument of how the sport is rife with betting companies yet so heavily punished in comparison to other offences. My biggest concern is when the bets are potential avenues into match fixing. The whole thing is more complex than it seems I think.

Hard to use risk of punishment to discourage betting if every player could then just move abroad to avoid penalty. Imagine the pressure to clubs if they had to choose between a year of the player suspended or selling at a mark-down price too.

Don Sholeone wrote: ↑

Thu May 02, 2024 4:27 pm

It's not the length really that's weird to me, I just thought it would have made sense to ban in Italy and for a ban hearing to be held separately to enforce a PL/FA ban.

The whole betting thing is bizarre in football though considering the well covered argument of how the sport is rife with betting companies yet so heavily punished in comparison to other offences. My biggest concern is when the bets are potential avenues into match fixing. The whole thing is more complex than it seems I think.

Don Sholeone wrote: ↑

Thu May 02, 2024 2:09 pm

In short no ban extension

Good to know he just admitted these charges without any evidence that he had breached whilst in England. Brave an honest decision, would have been so easy to keep quiet about it. Hopefully he's turned a corner.

Also interestingly, been reading the FA report, it says had his Italian hearing been held here he would have seen a lesser ban than he's serving, also given examples of similar cases here he could have even had that ban suspended so potentially not had to have missed any games at all.

Still find it odd that the Italians got to decide on a worldwide ban.

Bodacious Benny wrote: ↑

Thu Mar 28, 2024 8:55 pm

What happened to Paqueta’s alleged betting, and the guy on loan at Villa?