by skalpel » Thu Jun 29, 2017 2:36 pm
Aldridge Prior wrote:May's entire campaign was based on lies and whataboutery/scaremongering, then when she clings onto power and does several genuinely cunty things off the bounce, I'm naturally going to question where someone's priorities lie when they scrutinise something positive.
Corbyn isn't immune to criticism either, but I can't find much to disagree with, at least not under the circumstances. Yes, the poster looks a bit cringe, but if he's engaging young people and giving hope for a better future then what harm is it doing?
Pointing out her whataboutery as a defence of your own whataboutery is just more whataboutery
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Anyway, I reckon that poster is cringe-funny because it's a collection of people whose ideology just did worse at election than the shittiest Tory lineup in history all patting each other on the back as though they won. John McDonnell, Paul Mason and Tariq Ali are hardly going to draw the kids in, lets be honest. It's like having a Theresa May post-campaign celebration gig with Philip Hammond, Toby Young and Tim Montgomerie.
About his immunity to criticism and finding something to disagree with, well, I've found that his supporters (as distinct from the wider pool of people who simply voted Labour) immediately start talking about the Tories when something like this comes up:
Corbyn: "Hamas is dedicated to bringing about long term peace, social justice and political justice in the region".
Hamas Charter: "There is no solution to the Palestinian problem except by Jihad. The initiatives, proposals and International Conferences are but a waste of time, an exercise in futility [...] We must spread the spirit of Jihad among the [Islamic] Umma, clash with the enemies and join the ranks of the Jihad fighters. [...] 'The time will not come until Muslims will fight the Jews (and kill them); until the Jews hide behind rocks and trees, which will cry: O Muslim! there is a Jew hiding behind me, come on and kill him!'"
I disagree with him, and I'm sure you do too. So why is it that every time this sort of thing is brought up, few of his supporters are willing to simply accept that this is a stupid opinion that he has never retracted? It's at best so naive as to make him a dangerous man to have messing with the Israel-Palestine problem, and at worst an active whitewash and misrepresentation of the intentions of a genocidal terrorist group. I think many people don't want to face up to the fact that they've made a bargain with themselves to ignore his defense of Jihadists and Islamists so long as the Labour manifesto gets through and starts improving the lives of the poorest in this country. That's a compromise some people have made, and fair enough if they can do that, but rather than admit to having made it, many would rather hide behind the fanatics screaming "Tory smear". Criticism is due where it is due.
[quote="Aldridge Prior"]May's entire campaign was based on lies and whataboutery/scaremongering, then when she clings onto power and does several genuinely cronutty things off the bounce, I'm naturally going to question where someone's priorities lie when they scrutinise something positive.
Corbyn isn't immune to criticism either, but I can't find much to disagree with, at least not under the circumstances. Yes, the poster looks a bit cringe, but if he's engaging young people and giving hope for a better future then what harm is it doing?[/quote]
Pointing out her whataboutery as a defence of your own whataboutery is just more whataboutery <whistle> <roll>.
Anyway, I reckon that poster is cringe-funny because it's a collection of people whose ideology just did worse at election than the s***tiest Tory lineup in history all patting each other on the back as though they won. John McDonnell, Paul Mason and Tariq Ali are hardly going to draw the kids in, lets be honest. It's like having a Theresa May post-campaign celebration gig with Philip Hammond, Toby Young and Tim Montgomerie.
About his immunity to criticism and finding something to disagree with, well, I've found that his supporters (as distinct from the wider pool of people who simply voted Labour) immediately start talking about the Tories when something like this comes up:
[spoiler]Corbyn: "Hamas is dedicated to bringing about long term peace, social justice and political justice in the region".
Hamas Charter: "There is no solution to the Palestinian problem except by Jihad. The initiatives, proposals and International Conferences are but a waste of time, an exercise in futility [...] We must spread the spirit of Jihad among the [Islamic] Umma, clash with the enemies and join the ranks of the Jihad fighters. [...] 'The time will not come until Muslims will fight the Jews (and kill them); until the Jews hide behind rocks and trees, which will cry: O Muslim! there is a Jew hiding behind me, come on and kill him!'"[/spoiler]
I disagree with him, and I'm sure you do too. So why is it that every time this sort of thing is brought up, few of his supporters are willing to simply accept that this is a stupid opinion that he has never retracted? It's at best so naive as to make him a dangerous man to have messing with the Israel-Palestine problem, and at worst an active whitewash and misrepresentation of the intentions of a genocidal terrorist group. I think many people don't want to face up to the fact that they've made a bargain with themselves to ignore his defense of Jihadists and Islamists so long as the Labour manifesto gets through and starts improving the lives of the poorest in this country. That's a compromise some people have made, and fair enough if they can do that, but rather than admit to having made it, many would rather hide behind the fanatics screaming "Tory smear". Criticism is due where it is due.
