Beardsley future Toon gaffer?

[Remember Colo]

And Keegan had proven himself as a manager, which would have played no small part in people being delighted about him returning. Beardsley has had 20 years to impress as a coach and demonstrate he's got the qualities to manage at a higher level, and yet hasn't. You overstated the impact of the crowd on Beardsley's career (plenty of clubs have amazing crowds, and I don't like any club, including ours trying to play it off like we have some divine fanbase), and you're overstating the benefit of making a managerial hiring pandering to the fans' nostalgia for past players - and frankly insulting the intelligence of our fans that they would magically welcome Beardsley as manager because of his on-field accomplishments so long ago.

You have misunderstood due to not reading carefully enough. I haven't said that any fans are better than others. I've said that there is a chemistry between certain clubs' fans and certain potential managers, and that that chemistry improves managerial performance in my opinion.

I apologize for misunderstanding your original post about Beardsley + Newcastle fans = greater than the sum of their parts. I realize now reading following posts what you meant by that - although I still believe you're overrating the value of manager-fan chemistry on medium- and long-term performance.
Nonetheless, sorry I went on a rant about people bigging up their fanbase and the impact on players, because you weren't meaning that, I just get annoyed by that, no matter whose fans say it.

[NickKIELCEPoland]

You have misunderstood due to not reading carefully enough. I haven't said that any fans are better than others. I've said that there is a chemistry between certain clubs' fans and certain potential managers, and that that chemistry improves managerial performance in my opinion.

I apologize for misunderstanding your original post about Beardsley + Newcastle fans = greater than the sum of their parts. I realize now reading following posts what you meant by that - although I still believe you're overrating the value of manager-fan chemistry on medium- and long-term performance.
Nonetheless, sorry I went on a rant about people bigging up their fanbase and the impact on players, because you weren't meaning that, I just get annoyed by that, no matter whose fans say it.

There's no need to apologise, this is a forum, people say stuff, and make mistakes. Nevertheless, your apology (which you didn't owe me in my opinion) puts you in a good light, and shows you to be a decent chap to discuss with. Looking forward to more discussion.

[Obertans Magic Head]

I'm sure I've read somewhere that Beardsley has no interest in managing and wants to stay with the youth teams? Which is lucky because he's shown nothing to suggest he has what it takes to manage at professional level.

[NickKIELCEPoland]

I'm sure I've read somewhere that Beardsley has no interest in managing and wants to stay with the youth teams? Which is lucky because he's shown nothing to suggest he has what it takes to manage at professional level.

I reckon he'd be better suited to managing the first team. That's when he'd have crowds of 50,000 people chanting his name. That would make the players work for him, and respect him more.

[bodacious benny]

I'm sure I've read somewhere that Beardsley has no interest in managing and wants to stay with the youth teams? Which is lucky because he's shown nothing to suggest he has what it takes to manage at professional level.

I reckon he'd be better suited to managing the first team. That's when he'd have crowds of 50,000 people chanting his name. That would make the players work for him, and respect him more.

Think you've got rose tinted spectacles on tbh. Is not as simple as having fans chanting your name so the players work harder. Guaranteed that if the football isn't great and we're not winning games then the crowd would soon be on his back. Plus players will have far more respect for a proven coach/manager than they would for someone like Beardsley, most won't have had a clue who he was before they joined us.

[NickKIELCEPoland]

I reckon he'd be better suited to managing the first team. That's when he'd have crowds of 50,000 people chanting his name. That would make the players work for him, and respect him more.

Think you've got rose tinted spectacles on tbh. Is not as simple as having fans chanting your name so the players work harder. Guaranteed that if the football isn't great and we're not winning games then the crowd would soon be on his back. Plus players will have far more respect for a proven coach/manager than they would for someone like Beardsley, most won't have had a clue who he was before they joined us.

Well, we don't know until we try.

[NickKIELCEPoland]

He has won a trophy as a manager.
22.04.2014; "Peter Beardsley's U21 side regained the Northumberland Senior Cup at a misty St.James' Park on Tuesday night - and extended Blyth's miserable run in the competition." http://www.nufc.com/html/2013-14html/20 ... h-nsc.html

[overseasTOON]

He has won a trophy as a manager.
22.04.2014; "Peter Beardsley's U21 side regained the Northumberland Senior Cup at a misty St.James' Park on Tuesday night - and extended Blyth's miserable run in the competition." http://www.nufc.com/html/2013-14html/20 ... h-nsc.html

He also won the much coveted male Rear of the year in 1989.

[Colly]

Think you've got rose tinted spectacles on tbh. Is not as simple as having fans chanting your name so the players work harder. Guaranteed that if the football isn't great and we're not winning games then the crowd would soon be on his back. Plus players will have far more respect for a proven coach/manager than they would for someone like Beardsley, most won't have had a clue who he was before they joined us.

Well, we don't know until we try.

By that logic they should appoint me.

[bodacious benny]

Let's get Glen Roeder back. Won the Intertoto cup (plaque).

[NickKIELCEPoland]

Let's get Glen Roeder back. Won the Intertoto cup (plaque).

He did a good job. He took us to a 7th place.

[Heisen]

Let's get Glen Roeder back. Won the Intertoto cup (plaque).

I won the Premier League with Charlton for six consecutive seasons on Footy Manager and I know a few lads who go every week who will probably get behind me, do you reckon I'm in with a shot?

[bodacious benny]

Let's get Glen Roeder back. Won the Intertoto cup (plaque).

I won the Premier League with Charlton for six consecutive seasons on Footy Manager and I know a few lads who go every week who will probably get behind me, do you reckon I'm in with a shot?

You Sir, are hired

[overseasTOON]

Let's get Glen Roeder back. Won the Intertoto cup (plaque).

I won the Premier League with Charlton for six consecutive seasons on Footy Manager and I know a few lads who go every week who will probably get behind me, do you reckon I'm in with a shot?

Alas, you played like Scott Parker so it's a no from me.

[Holystone...]

Just picked up on this op . In the modern game managers seem to be coaches rather than amazing ex players . I’d put him in the “ give Shearer a chance “ bracket . All clubs seem to have a soft spot for ex pros . Liverpool just given Gerrard a junior team to run . Suppose it motivates the young ones to look up to him .

[bodacious benny]

John Terry should become manager of Chelsea Ladies team when he retires.

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Why hasn't he been made manager yet?

[NickKIELCEPoland]

Just picked up on this op . In the modern game managers seem to be coaches rather than amazing ex players . I’d put him in the “ give Shearer a chance “ bracket . All clubs seem to have a soft spot for ex pros . Liverpool just given Gerrard a junior team to run . Suppose it motivates the young ones to look up to him .

Loosely speaking, we tend to judge managers by two measures; 1...Scientific understanding of the game. 2...Personality, eg. leadership qualities. I personally think that the second point becomes less important if the manager in question happens to be a favourite among the fans from the word go. When I've seen Beardsley as a pundit, or read his musings, I'm always struck by his excellent understanding of the game. I do think it would be a crying shame if he was never given the chance to manage the Toon. It is true that he has a coaching career of the reserves and of the youth team to judge him on, but at least he's spent his time post-playing gaining coaching experience.

[Colly]

Steve Howey for me lyk.

[beatski]

Id question Beardsley's psychosomatic control of strategies though