Cheers CalCal wrote: ↑Fri Apr 10, 2020 4:49 pmFor the headline daily numbers from DHSC it's people who have died in hospital having also tested positive, no causality requirement, but more likely than not it's involved.Don Sholeone wrote: ↑Fri Apr 10, 2020 4:27 pmGenuine question, do we know if these death figures are classed as OF covid-19 or WITH Covid-19. Might sound silly but it makes a huge difference, also I've noticed you don't hear them mentioning underlying health conditions anymore.
Not trying to play down any death figures but just wish we were given more information rather than a number plastered on a screen or a chart.
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/coronavirus ... the-public
The ONS publishes a report on a Tuesday covering the week ending 11 days prior (eg 7th April release is for the week ending 27th March), these include all deaths registered in that period in England and Wales with COVID-19 mentioned on the death certificate, whether confirmed or suspected, in or out of hospital. This report goes into a lot more detail, but still will not have perfect data.SpoilerShowNotes on deaths figures
The figures on deaths relate in almost all cases to patients who have died in hospital and who have tested positive for COVID-19. Slight differences in reporting in devolved administrations may mean that they include a small number of deaths outside hospital. The figures are compiled from validated data provided by NHS England and Improvement, Health Protection Scotland, Public Health Wales and the Public Health Agency (Northern Ireland).
These figures do not include deaths outside hospital, such as those in care homes, except as indicated above. This approach allows us to compile deaths data on a daily basis using up-to-date figures. The data includes confirmed cases reported as at 5pm the previous day. The amount of time between occurrence of death and reporting in these figures may vary slightly and in some cases could be a few days, so figures at 5pm may not include all deaths for that day.
In addition to these figures, the Office for National Statistics (ONS) publishes weekly counts of deaths in which COVID-19 was mentioned on the death certificate. This publication is issued every Tuesday, starting on 31 March. It includes cases outside hospital and also some cases where COVID-19 is suspected but no test has taken place. ONS data will initially cover England and Wales only and will report on deaths registered up to 11 days before publication, so up to 20 March for their first release.
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulation ... 7march2020
Few bits of interesting Information there. Also reading up on what's eligible for a death certificate, Covid-19 falls into an underlying health condition, so I think that answers my question, so deaths WITH Covid-19 are counted even though it might not be the cause of death but potentially just a contributing factor. I'll hold onto that as a bit of comfort in a morbid and weird kind of way.
