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Re: Season Review 21/22

by Fan2foot » Mon Aug 01, 2022 7:13 am

Nice video, thanks for sharing that ;)

Re: Season Review 21/22

by originallad » Wed May 25, 2022 3:41 pm

Tsi wrote:
Wed May 25, 2022 3:05 pm
Nice one for that.

Some cracking goals in that vid and you can see that St Max and Wilson were carrying the team until Howe came in.

Re: Season Review 21/22

by Remember Colo » Wed May 25, 2022 3:07 pm

Colly wrote:
Wed May 25, 2022 12:42 pm
He's only 3rd choice due to this bizarre situation with Fernandez who at times has been our best CB but has been inexplicably frozen out again. He's always been the same limited player, Mike Williamson with a captains armband.
I think Fernandez' injuries were even more ill-timed than JL's, and with his age and likelihood of leaving this summer, he ultimately wasn't reintegrated into the side.

Re: Season Review 21/22

by Tsi » Wed May 25, 2022 3:05 pm

Re: Season Review 21/22

by Blue & Maroon » Wed May 25, 2022 2:52 pm

Mike Williamson is a god <wenger>

Re: Season Review 21/22

by beatski » Wed May 25, 2022 2:50 pm

Colly wrote:
Wed May 25, 2022 12:42 pm
He's only 3rd choice due to this bizarre situation with Fernandez who at times has been our best CB but has been inexplicably frozen out again. He's always been the same limited player, Mike Williamson with a captains armband.
Maybe the manager inexplicably rates him as better than Fernandez?

Re: Season Review 21/22

by Colly » Wed May 25, 2022 1:03 pm

I will bear no ill will towards Mike Thrilliamson.

Re: Season Review 21/22

by gola » Wed May 25, 2022 12:44 pm

Mike williamson, eughhh, the epiome of pards reign that guy

Re: Season Review 21/22

by Colly » Wed May 25, 2022 12:42 pm

He's only 3rd choice due to this bizarre situation with Fernandez who at times has been our best CB but has been inexplicably frozen out again. He's always been the same limited player, Mike Williamson with a captains armband.

Re: Season Review 21/22

by beatski » Wed May 25, 2022 12:03 pm

Bodacious Benny wrote:
Tue May 24, 2022 8:13 am
On the defender reviews, of all the players to play regularly (or frequently) this season there is only one that hasn't improved or shown progress under Howe; and that is Lascelles. He has been a good servant to the club through some difficult times, and did have an excellent season or so under Rafa but ultimately we need someone who is better and can develop.
Disagree on that, his limited time at the end of the season has had him looking way better than the calamity he looked under Bruce. I also think he got a bit unlucky with injury at the wrong time and then Schar-Burn forming a good partnership following that meant he hasn't had much of a look in in the second half of the season, which is when half the players were talking about really started to show their improvement (as obviously the new training/tactics will take time for players to learn to learn); Krafth/Almiron being the last two, who both got an extended run in the side due to injury and it's only in the last month that people have changed their tune on them.

Also, he's still clearly 3rd choice under Howe, and I don't see us shifting out our third choice. No point in excessive squad turnover, why spend resources looking for a new 3rd/4th choice when there's other roles need addressing first. Sad to see so many fans be so keen to ship him out considering how he stepped up under Rafa.

Re: Season Review 21/22

by Remember Colo » Tue May 24, 2022 1:35 pm

To Matty Longstaff's credit, he seems to have had a good run for Mansfield, scoring 6 and adding 2 assists. Obviously performance like that in League 2 means nothing for his potential to cut it with us, but I'm sure Mansfield feels they made a good short term addition at least.

Re: Season Review 21/22

by lassassinblanc » Tue May 24, 2022 1:09 pm

Midfield /Forwards and what is needed updated.

PTAO over to you for the reviewer review <whistle>

Re: Season Review 21/22

by lassassinblanc » Tue May 24, 2022 8:59 am

Bodacious Benny wrote:
Tue May 24, 2022 8:13 am
On the defender reviews, of all the players to play regularly (or frequently) this season there is only one that hasn't improved or shown progress under Howe; and that is Lascelles. He has been a good servant to the club through some difficult times, and did have an excellent season or so under Rafa but ultimately we need someone who is better and can develop.

Schar improved massively under Howe, Burn has come in and looked very assured and formed a good understanding with Schar, and even Krafth has come on leaps and bounds whilst Lascelles just kind of stayed exactly the same. It seems nailed on that we'll sign another CB in summer and that will bump Lascelles down to 4th choice (which is fine, if he was happy to not play often) but realistically I doubt he'll want that and it will be time to move on. If Forest come up maybe he could go back there perhaps.

I wouldn't mind if he did stay for another season as 4th choice and play a few cup games etc. but that'd be it I think. I remember watching the Arsenal game and the ball dropped out of the air to him at one point when no Arsenal player was close to him. Even though he had time, he headed it straightaway upfield whereas Schar/Burn would have had to confidence and ability to control the ball and look for the pass rather than just lumping it back forward when not under any pressure and I think that's the difference.
Yeah agree he'll definitely be 4th choice and it will be interesting to see what happens him as you mention he didn't seem to improve at all this season under Howe like others , I think he'll be kept around for his leadership at least until we get a few more like Trippier in for example,

Re: Season Review 21/22

by bodacious benny » Tue May 24, 2022 8:13 am

On the defender reviews, of all the players to play regularly (or frequently) this season there is only one that hasn't improved or shown progress under Howe; and that is Lascelles. He has been a good servant to the club through some difficult times, and did have an excellent season or so under Rafa but ultimately we need someone who is better and can develop.

Schar improved massively under Howe, Burn has come in and looked very assured and formed a good understanding with Schar, and even Krafth has come on leaps and bounds whilst Lascelles just kind of stayed exactly the same. It seems nailed on that we'll sign another CB in summer and that will bump Lascelles down to 4th choice (which is fine, if he was happy to not play often) but realistically I doubt he'll want that and it will be time to move on. If Forest come up maybe he could go back there perhaps.

I wouldn't mind if he did stay for another season as 4th choice and play a few cup games etc. but that'd be it I think. I remember watching the Arsenal game and the ball dropped out of the air to him at one point when no Arsenal player was close to him. Even though he had time, he headed it straightaway upfield whereas Schar/Burn would have had to confidence and ability to control the ball and look for the pass rather than just lumping it back forward when not under any pressure and I think that's the difference.

Re: Season Review 21/22

by lassassinblanc » Mon May 23, 2022 5:38 pm

Don Sholeone wrote:
Mon May 23, 2022 5:08 pm
*Reserved for a Thorgan Hazard jibe*
<smooch>

Re: Season Review 21/22

by Don Sholeone » Mon May 23, 2022 5:08 pm

*Reserved for a Thorgan Hazard jibe*

Re: Season Review 21/22

by lassassinblanc » Mon May 23, 2022 4:48 pm

Goalkeepers and defence updated shall hopefully do midfield and forwards tomorrow

Re: Season Review 21/22

by bodacious benny » Mon May 23, 2022 12:24 pm

I suppose it’s a mix of professional courtesy and potentially thinking he could be their manager again one day E.g. wouldn’t be any surprise if the likes of Ritchie, Gayle, Clark ended up at wba next season.

Re: Season Review 21/22

by Colly » Mon May 23, 2022 11:39 am

I love the fact that we keep getting player interviews where they skirt round how s*** he was. Longstaff saying he hadn't had any development in two years without saying why etc.

I'll always maintain that the gap between Dubravka and Darlow is nowhere near as big as some make out, but it's probably an academic point at this stage, both could be backup or gone very soon.

Re: Season Review 21/22

by bodacious benny » Mon May 23, 2022 10:09 am

lassassinblanc wrote:
Mon May 23, 2022 9:18 am
Bodacious Benny wrote:
Mon May 23, 2022 9:12 am


Nice.

The only thing I'd disagree with is that Bruce could only do as much as he could with his hands tied.

That is partly true as we only signed Willock, but his entire approach was lazy and unprofessional. Far too many (well publicised) days off, praising the team when they were clearly awful, players being unfit, no tactics (his own admission...), players not knowing their roles etc. was all on him. Yes he had to work with what he had but he didn't even do the minimum with them.

When Howe came in, even before he started winning games you could see players getting fitter and more organised which is the basic you'd expect from anyone in a Head Coach role.
True of course , I'd actually meant to point that out so thanks for bringing it up, definitely you could see our players getting fitter and more structured as Howe started to work his magic.
A friend of mine is a WBA season ticket holder so I'll get them to let me know if they experience similar regression under Bruce <laugh>

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