by Asprillasfurcoat » Thu May 31, 2018 12:46 pm
Don Sholeone wrote:TBC wrote:
Italian teams are always giving former players etc a chance, and not just teams in the Serie B, big teams like AC Milan. I don’t have a problem with it, they have to start somewhere and they can’t all start in League 2.
The problem though is we have a long list of poor English managers who are always given opportunities no matter what, they have failed time and time again but they all get top jobs, none of them have to earn their stripes, football culture in England is completely different to everywhere else, having an English passport and a familiar face is enough to get a good managerial job, why are the likes of Lampard and Gerrard not learning as assistants under successful managers or gaining experience in the lower leagues, it's no secret that we are way behind in quality of coaching and handing out jobs in this manner isn't going to solve the problem
People moan about the influx of Managers from abroad, but to my mind they make (most) British Managers look lazy and complacent - There's a clique of the old under achievers and never achieved who somehow stay on the merry-go-round - Pulis, Allardyce, Pardew, Hughes, Moyes etc) - despite only being able to offer mediocrity at best, and players like Lampard and Gerrard who walk into jobs because of their playing reputation (willing to give them both the benefit of the doubt for the mo, we'll see what happens but they could both end up as Sherwoods) .. there seems to be an expectation that playing in Britain makes you automatically a potentially great Manager, and very few venture abroad (Woy being a noteable exeption), and very few are massively successful (Fergie excepted, obviously!)
In contrast, a lot of the Managers from abroad immerse themselves in the football cultures of two, three, four, sometime countries , moving themselves and their families , and as a result speak two or three languages, so naturally have so much more insight into the mindsets of the continental players that are filling the Premier League.
In the entire history of British Football, I think you'd struggle to come up with more than a very small handful of Managers that you can name that have travelled across Europe or the World and made a name for themselves in each country they've Managed. Sir Bobby is the only one that immediately springs to mind that really achieved in all the countries he Managed.
[quote="Don Sholeone"][quote="TBC"]
Italian teams are always giving former players etc a chance, and not just teams in the Serie B, big teams like AC Milan. I don’t have a problem with it, they have to start somewhere and they can’t all start in League 2.[/quote]
The problem though is we have a long list of poor English managers who are always given opportunities no matter what, they have failed time and time again but they all get top jobs, none of them have to earn their stripes, football culture in England is completely different to everywhere else, having an English passport and a familiar face is enough to get a good managerial job, why are the likes of Lampard and Gerrard not learning as assistants under successful managers or gaining experience in the lower leagues, it's no secret that we are way behind in quality of coaching and handing out jobs in this manner isn't going to solve the problem[/quote]
People moan about the influx of Managers from abroad, but to my mind they make (most) British Managers look lazy and complacent - There's a clique of the old under achievers and never achieved who somehow stay on the merry-go-round - Pulis, Allardyce, Pardew, Hughes, Moyes etc) - despite only being able to offer mediocrity at best, and players like Lampard and Gerrard who walk into jobs because of their playing reputation (willing to give them both the benefit of the doubt for the mo, we'll see what happens but they could both end up as Sherwoods) .. there seems to be an expectation that playing in Britain makes you automatically a potentially great Manager, and very few venture abroad (Woy being a noteable exeption), and very few are massively successful (Fergie excepted, obviously!)
In contrast, a lot of the Managers from abroad immerse themselves in the football cultures of two, three, four, sometime countries , moving themselves and their families , and as a result speak two or three languages, so naturally have so much more insight into the mindsets of the continental players that are filling the Premier League.
In the entire history of British Football, I think you'd struggle to come up with more than a very small handful of Managers that you can name that have travelled across Europe or the World and made a name for themselves in each country they've Managed. Sir Bobby is the only one that immediately springs to mind that really achieved in all the countries he Managed.