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Re: Match thread - NUFC v Watford

by Remember Colo » Thu Nov 08, 2018 4:43 am

Hjl wrote: ↑
Thu Nov 08, 2018 2:53 am
 I remember when we pressed hard, think it was against United last year. Worked well as i recall.
I really wish we would more. It's pretty hard to generate a decent counter attack without putting some meaningful pressure on the opposing team.

Re: Match thread - NUFC v Watford

by Hjl » Thu Nov 08, 2018 2:53 am

I remember when we pressed hard, think it was against United last year. Worked well as i recall.

Re: Match thread - NUFC v Watford

by Colly » Tue Nov 06, 2018 10:35 pm

I don't think there's any doubt that a lot of the players that are criticised for seemingly 'not giving their all' are actually playing exactly to the game plan. Perez doesn't sprint after defenders with the ball because we don't press as a team, and it was notable at the weekend that Yedlin was reluctant to pass the halfway line at times.

Re: Match thread - NUFC v Watford

by Remember Colo » Tue Nov 06, 2018 3:25 pm

Colly wrote: ↑
Mon Nov 05, 2018 3:53 pm
Remember Colo wrote: ↑
Mon Nov 05, 2018 3:07 pm
For me, its the fact he doesn't know how to get on the ball enough. I'm not sure if it's a problem with his positioning, or being too passive, or what, but he just goes anonymous for way too much of matches for someone playing a position that should be the linchpin of our attacking play. I've referenced his "touches" stats, but he's the worst/minute on the team, and that's inexcusable for someone in his position.
I don't wholly disagree with this, but I do see this argument that because he's playing number 10 he should see a lot more of the ball a lot and in our team I just can't agree completely. The way we play there's a huge gap behind him due to how Shelvey plays so most of our attacks go down the wings rather than through the middle. At that point his job is to be in the box waiting for a cross, and that (his goal aside) isn't his strength in any way. Once Ki came on he actually got a lot more involved, notably with some little triangles high up the pitch with Ki and Kenedy and that's clearly how he'd prefer to play. I'm not excusing him from some poor performances, but our wide and hoofy tactics don't suit playing a number 10 at all.
And I think that's a pretty fair counter point. I've maybe been unreasonable in thinking that with a (better) player better suited to the role they would get more involved in play, but maybe with Rafa's strict approach to tactics that wouldn't be the case. Either way though, it highlights the pretty stubborn approach Rafa has had with roster and tactics.

Re: Match thread - NUFC v Watford

by Chappy » Mon Nov 05, 2018 7:14 pm

Bodacious Benny wrote: ↑
Sun Nov 04, 2018 10:38 pm
Colly wrote: ↑
Sun Nov 04, 2018 10:18 pm
 I think you'll always get the rants after a player does something s***, but booing one of our own players onto the pitch is utterly ridiculous. Moreso the fact that realistically Perez is the only player who can play that position with Muto going off, so what's to gain? That'll really make him want to make the crowd happy.
This.

Booing collectively at the team at a poor result is one thing, booing one of our own players onto the pitch is pathetic.
Well that's football fans for you - bunch of cunts.

Re: Match thread - NUFC v Watford

by Colly » Mon Nov 05, 2018 3:53 pm

Remember Colo wrote: ↑
Mon Nov 05, 2018 3:07 pm
Bodacious Benny wrote: ↑
Sun Nov 04, 2018 4:05 pm

That's setting a very low bar seen as we've really got no good finishers - I'd say finishing is often what lets him down tbh.
For me, its the fact he doesn't know how to get on the ball enough. I'm not sure if it's a problem with his positioning, or being too passive, or what, but he just goes anonymous for way too much of matches for someone playing a position that should be the linchpin of our attacking play. I've referenced his "touches" stats, but he's the worst/minute on the team, and that's inexcusable for someone in his position.
I don't wholly disagree with this, but I do see this argument that because he's playing number 10 he should see a lot more of the ball a lot and in our team I just can't agree completely. The way we play there's a huge gap behind him due to how Shelvey plays so most of our attacks go down the wings rather than through the middle. At that point his job is to be in the box waiting for a cross, and that (his goal aside) isn't his strength in any way. Once Ki came on he actually got a lot more involved, notably with some little triangles high up the pitch with Ki and Kenedy and that's clearly how he'd prefer to play. I'm not excusing him from some poor performances, but our wide and hoofy tactics don't suit playing a number 10 at all.

Re: Match thread - NUFC v Watford

by Remember Colo » Mon Nov 05, 2018 3:07 pm

Bodacious Benny wrote: ↑
Sun Nov 04, 2018 4:05 pm
Luque wrote: ↑
Sun Nov 04, 2018 3:49 pm
 Perez should be played as a striker. He's our best finisher.
That's setting a very low bar seen as we've really got no good finishers - I'd say finishing is often what lets him down tbh.
For me, its the fact he doesn't know how to get on the ball enough. I'm not sure if it's a problem with his positioning, or being too passive, or what, but he just goes anonymous for way too much of matches for someone playing a position that should be the linchpin of our attacking play. I've referenced his "touches" stats, but he's the worst/minute on the team, and that's inexcusable for someone in his position.

All that said, I completely agree about how stupid and unfair it is to boo your own club's players, especially as they're coming on the pitch, or basically for any reason besides a lack of visible effort.

Re: Match thread - NUFC v Watford

by bodacious benny » Sun Nov 04, 2018 10:38 pm

Colly wrote: ↑
Sun Nov 04, 2018 10:18 pm
 I think you'll always get the rants after a player does something s***, but booing one of our own players onto the pitch is utterly ridiculous. Moreso the fact that realistically Perez is the only player who can play that position with Muto going off, so what's to gain? That'll really make him want to make the crowd happy.
This.

Booing collectively at the team at a poor result is one thing, booing one of our own players onto the pitch is pathetic.

Re: Match thread - NUFC v Watford

by Colly » Sun Nov 04, 2018 10:18 pm

I think you'll always get the rants after a player does something s***, but booing one of our own players onto the pitch is utterly ridiculous. Moreso the fact that realistically Perez is the only player who can play that position with Muto going off, so what's to gain? That'll really make him want to make the crowd happy.

Re: Match thread - NUFC v Watford

by Toondes » Sun Nov 04, 2018 10:13 pm

So we should just happy clap or stay silent then ? I don’t boo players but it doesn’t concern me that some fans do. We are not the only club that does it but if I’m being honest I’ve not really heard out players being boo’d. I’ve heard the mutterings of dissaproval and the odd expletive laden rant but people are entitled to do that after paying good money.

Re: Match thread - NUFC v Watford

by Slim999 » Sun Nov 04, 2018 10:03 pm

Luque wrote: ↑
Sun Nov 04, 2018 3:49 pm
 Perez should be played as a striker. He's our best finisher.
If agree. He has his limitations obviously but he has consistently shown that when the pressure is on he can come up with a goal or assist.

The booing of players is pathetic and should be challenged by those around them. But that happens at all grounds and it's happened at Newcastle since I first went thete as a lad ( Baraclough, Cassidy, Gibb, Gowling, and more latterly Joselu, Perez, Luque etc.

It achieves nothing.

In fact it worsens confidence and makes them play even worse!!

Re: Match thread - NUFC v Watford

by bodacious benny » Sun Nov 04, 2018 4:05 pm

Luque wrote: ↑
Sun Nov 04, 2018 3:49 pm
 Perez should be played as a striker. He's our best finisher.
That's setting a very low bar seen as we've really got no good finishers - I'd say finishing is often what lets him down tbh.

Re: Match thread - NUFC v Watford

by Bruuuuuuuuce () » Sun Nov 04, 2018 3:49 pm

Perez should be played as a striker. He's our best finisher.

Re: Match thread - NUFC v Watford

by Colly » Sun Nov 04, 2018 3:33 pm

Sorry, every other home game.

Re: Match thread - NUFC v Watford

by beatski » Sun Nov 04, 2018 3:29 pm

Colly wrote: ↑
Sun Nov 04, 2018 3:21 pm
 Brilliantly one of those three audibly groaned when Ben Arfa took his first touch in the centre circle on the way to that wonder goal against Bolton. These people are fuckwits. Thankfully they seem to only be at every other game...
Don't travel well do they not? <roll>

Re: Match thread - NUFC v Watford

by Colly » Sun Nov 04, 2018 3:21 pm

Brilliantly one of those three audibly groaned when Ben Arfa took his first touch in the centre circle on the way to that wonder goal against Bolton. These people are fuckwits. Thankfully they seem to only be at every other game...

Re: Match thread - NUFC v Watford

by bodacious benny » Sun Nov 04, 2018 2:53 pm

Those are the same people who probably moan and groan as soon as a new or young player misplaces a pass. It's little wonder that we don't ever really develop young players, most of them must dread taking to the field. Granted you get a few strong enough to take it, but it's only natural that some players would rather hide.

Re: Match thread - NUFC v Watford

by Colly » Sun Nov 04, 2018 2:14 pm

We've got three behind us who literally scream at Perez at every misplaced touch. Had it been Perez rather than Muto who'd had that 15 seconds of poor passing yesterday we'd never have heard the end of it. Sadly we've got too many of these idiots.

Re: Match thread - NUFC v Watford

by bodacious benny » Sun Nov 04, 2018 1:37 pm

Yeah we've all got players we don't like or rate but to boo before or during a game at individuals is completely pointless, and those fans are part of the problem.

Granted I only go to a few away games a season generally, but I've never booed our team at FT or one of our own players before or during a game.

Re: Match thread - NUFC v Watford

by Speedo » Sun Nov 04, 2018 1:25 pm

Heisen wrote: ↑
Sun Nov 04, 2018 12:50 pm
Colly wrote: ↑
Sun Nov 04, 2018 12:37 pm
 He did. There's a sizeable proportion of the crowd who blame Perez for all of our failings, despite playing in a position that means he barely ever gets the ball in a threatening position.

He's not perfect, and dropping him will hopefully push him on, but some of the vitriol is pathetic. People seem to expect him to be barging through players which is never going to be his style.

I don't attend matches anymore, but I've heard from several of my mates that go to games that he's been getting jeered a lot this year. One of the biggest reasons I gave up my ST was the sheer negativity around certain players. There was one lad next to me who used to visibly and audibly shake with rage everytime Obertan got the ball then scream at him when he lost it. Others who used to boo Shola every week. It's not on, what's the point of going to games if you're not going to support?

I'm one of Perez' biggest critics and always have been, but to boo him is absolutely out of order. What are these people hoping to achieve?
Ah the heady days of Obertan and Shola <awe>

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