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Re: Match day - Arsenal v TOON

by Sir Bobby » Tue Apr 02, 2019 4:51 pm

From what I remember, Rondon’s chance where he could have squared it came from Ritchie playing a long ball when Almiron was the obvious option down the line. It really felt like Almiron didn’t receive the ball much last night and a lot of that seemed to be from Ritchie overlooking him for seemingly any other pass

Re: Match day - Arsenal v TOON

by ALF » Tue Apr 02, 2019 3:57 pm

Ritchie was worse than s**** last night, even with his goal line clearance. Just keeps lofting the ball forward and hope it gets won.

Re: Match day - Arsenal v TOON

by Remember Colo » Tue Apr 02, 2019 3:30 pm

Don Sholeone wrote: ↑
Tue Apr 02, 2019 1:22 pm
Bodacious Benny wrote: ↑
Tue Apr 02, 2019 12:47 pm
 I think people read too much into this kind of thing. Naturally there will be players in the squad who don't get on perhaps (we've all got colleagues that we don't like, football will be no different) but I very much doubt that many consciously avoid passing to a certain teammate in the heat of a game. Stories like this generate clicks and online interest...which tells you what you need to know.

Interestingly I was listening to a podcast on automation earlier, last year 1 million sports reports / articles were written by AI. That kind of makes sense as all the data is there (who played, who got booked, made the key passes, scored etc.) so very little human input is required.
To be fair it has been pretty noticeable, I pointed it out to people in Almirons first start and on here even and not many others picked up on it, since then I've seen more and more people picking up on it and it's all come to a head. At times it's only a simple ball but it never seems to be played. Also it's never been something that happened when Ritchie was on the right wing with Yedlin, we were always using the width, but on the left it seems like Ritchie is always wanting to direct the ball centrally.
Maybe he only has one good eye? <roll>

Re: Match day - Arsenal v TOON

by Don Sholeone » Tue Apr 02, 2019 1:22 pm

Bodacious Benny wrote: ↑
Tue Apr 02, 2019 12:47 pm
 I think people read too much into this kind of thing. Naturally there will be players in the squad who don't get on perhaps (we've all got colleagues that we don't like, football will be no different) but I very much doubt that many consciously avoid passing to a certain teammate in the heat of a game. Stories like this generate clicks and online interest...which tells you what you need to know.

Interestingly I was listening to a podcast on automation earlier, last year 1 million sports reports / articles were written by AI. That kind of makes sense as all the data is there (who played, who got booked, made the key passes, scored etc.) so very little human input is required.
To be fair it has been pretty noticeable, I pointed it out to people in Almirons first start and on here even and not many others picked up on it, since then I've seen more and more people picking up on it and it's all come to a head. At times it's only a simple ball but it never seems to be played. Also it's never been something that happened when Ritchie was on the right wing with Yedlin, we were always using the width, but on the left it seems like Ritchie is always wanting to direct the ball centrally.

Re: Match day - Arsenal v TOON

by bodacious benny » Tue Apr 02, 2019 12:47 pm

I think people read too much into this kind of thing. Naturally there will be players in the squad who don't get on perhaps (we've all got colleagues that we don't like, football will be no different) but I very much doubt that many consciously avoid passing to a certain teammate in the heat of a game. Stories like this generate clicks and online interest...which tells you what you need to know.

Interestingly I was listening to a podcast on automation earlier, last year 1 million sports reports / articles were written by AI. That kind of makes sense as all the data is there (who played, who got booked, made the key passes, scored etc.) so very little human input is required.

Re: Match day - Arsenal v TOON

by Colly » Tue Apr 02, 2019 12:08 pm

s***, is Ritchie playing the role of the knobhead who breaks Santiago Munez' inhaler?

Re: Match day - Arsenal v TOON

by Don Sholeone » Tue Apr 02, 2019 12:02 pm

A lot of talk today about Ritchie and Almiron, most accusing Ritchie of ignoring Almiron. This is something I picked up on his first start, he makes great runs and makes himself space and Ritchie always turns away from him, apparently Rafa was asked about it after the match too. I did notice in Miggys first game that Ritchie was giving him a hard time most of the game with his angry scotsman act, if I was to have a guess Almiron has probably not taken too well to that and they are clashing. If that's the case Ritchie can pack his bags as he won't be winning that battle.

Also a lot of people sticking up for Ritchie saying he shouts at everyone, which he does, but at the same time he's one of the players this year who has been poor and error prone, there comes a point when shouting at people can become detrimental especially when you are not contributing as much as you should be.

Re: Match day - Arsenal v TOON

by seaside nipper » Tue Apr 02, 2019 8:00 am

Thought we looked really sluggish last night, if not downright tired !?!?! Too often a forward pass was gifted away, Ritchie particularly poor in this, but not alone. Almiron honest, but it was just not happening and with Rondon's touch just not there when needed we looked utterly inept going forward. The second goal summed things up. Too many off it last night. Disappointing as Mustafi must be one of the worst defenders in the league and we let him away with murder last night. The whole team demeanour I thought was just lethargic looking. Arsenal didn't require anything like top gear

Re: Match day - Arsenal v TOON

by lassassinblanc » Tue Apr 02, 2019 7:08 am

Toondes wrote: ↑
Mon Apr 01, 2019 9:25 pm
lassassinblanc wrote: ↑
Mon Apr 01, 2019 9:04 pm
I agree I think people are just looking for a reason to moan.

We kept our shape, the counters didn't pay off mostly due to a bad second ball or control. Arsenal took their chances when presented.
Are we not allowed to moan ?? It was a poor performance in which we offered nothing . I know they are a good side but if you don’t shoot/ attack when losing you will never get anything out of a game. We didn’t look like we even wanted to get back into it which annoyed me more .

On the plus side , hopefully we see more of Muto in the run in.
I reiterate my point, I actually don't think it was as bad a performance as you're making it out to be, We lost 2-0 yes.

We did try to attack but our final ball let us down or good Arsenal defending kept us at bay.

Yes we could have pushed higher up but Arsenal were pushing onto us, pulling back to hit on the counter was our best option tactically in that match.

Re: Match day - Arsenal v TOON

by bodacious benny » Tue Apr 02, 2019 6:03 am

jpg wrote: ↑
Mon Apr 01, 2019 9:01 pm
 Not our strongest performance by any means. Arsenal are a very good side though.

I did find it laughable how outraged the pundits/commentators were over a goal being disallowed due a blatant shirt pull on Lejeune. The biased punditry in general wasn’t particularly subtle tonight.
Yeah, it was a clear foul. Andy Cole at HT said the goal should have stood despite the foul because people in other games had gotten away with it <laugh>

Re: Match day - Arsenal v TOON

by ColbacksFlamingBarnet » Tue Apr 02, 2019 5:52 am

Chappy wrote: ↑
Mon Apr 01, 2019 9:32 pm
Fulham (a) - 1 point. Will be a pointless fixture. Nobody will have anything to play for apart from pride but most have there sights on the beaches, mojitos and exotic luxury resorts they will heading to. Can see this being a 1-1 draw which means we'll end the season on 42 points.

<diva> <diva> <diva>
We always save our best performance of the season for the last game of the season, hopefully we don't break tradition!

Re: Match day - Arsenal v TOON

by Sanchino » Tue Apr 02, 2019 12:24 am

Chappy wrote: ↑
Mon Apr 01, 2019 9:32 pm
 We were never gonna get anything at the Emirates realistically. On to the next one, 6 more points and we can relax. A win against Palace would be a big step towards safety.
I think another win should be enough. Maybe a draw or two aswell as I don't see Cardiff getting to 38 points. They'll need 3 wins+ and with matches against Man City, Liverpool, United and Burnley (away) I don't see that happening but stranger things have happened so one more win is a must. I think we'll be OK as we have Palace, Southampon, Brighton and Fulham in the run-in. I mean if we can't win any of those games we deserve to go down.

Palace (h) - 3 points. A sneaky, rough, scrappy and tough 1-0 win. 38 points all but safe.
Leicster (a) - 0 points. Rodgers revolution looks underway, full of confidence right now.
Southampton (h) - 3 points. 2-1 win to hit 41 points to practically be mathematically safe.
Brighton (a) - 1 point. Brighton struggling right now but hopefully they'll have enough to be safe. Chrissy <love>
Liverpool (h) - 0 points. Toss up between them and City for the title but have a feeling this will be 'Pool's year. Routine victory to secure the title by then? Cheeky bet on Salah & Mane both to score 1, Liverpool to win + over 2.5. Can see them thumping us 3-1 / 4-1.
Fulham (a) - 1 point. Will be a pointless fixture. Nobody will have anything to play for apart from pride but most have there sights on the beaches, mojitos and exotic luxury resorts they will heading to. Can see this being a 1-1 draw which means we'll end the season on 42 points.

<diva> <diva> <diva>

Re: Match day - Arsenal v TOON

by Chappy » Mon Apr 01, 2019 9:32 pm

We were never gonna get anything at the Emirates realistically. On to the next one, 6 more points and we can relax. A win against Palace would be a big step towards safety.

Re: Match day - Arsenal v TOON

by Toondes » Mon Apr 01, 2019 9:25 pm

lassassinblanc wrote: ↑
Mon Apr 01, 2019 9:04 pm
originallad wrote: ↑
Mon Apr 01, 2019 8:59 pm

This
I agree I think people are just looking for a reason to moan.

We kept our shape, the counters didn't pay off mostly due to a bad second ball or control. Arsenal took their chances when presented.
Are we not allowed to moan ?? It was a poor performance in which we offered nothing . I know they are a good side but if you don’t shoot/ attack when losing you will never get anything out of a game. We didn’t look like we even wanted to get back into it which annoyed me more .

On the plus side , hopefully we see more of Muto in the run in.

Re: Match day - Arsenal v TOON

by lassassinblanc » Mon Apr 01, 2019 9:04 pm

originallad wrote: ↑
Mon Apr 01, 2019 8:59 pm
Colly wrote: ↑
Mon Apr 01, 2019 8:57 pm
 Were we really that bad? I missed the first 15 minutes and while we were toothless in attack we weren't made into a laughing stock, and were still realistically in it with 15 minutes to go. That's not horrendous away at 3rd in the league.

And that's from someone openly critical of Rafa's setup against the likes of City away, tonight wasnt the horrible flat back 5, at least Yedlin and Ritchie got forward.
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I agree I think people are just looking for a reason to moan.

We kept our shape, the counters didn't pay off mostly due to a bad second ball or control. Arsenal took their chances when presented.

Re: Match day - Arsenal v TOON

by Crouching Shola Hidden Talent » Mon Apr 01, 2019 9:03 pm

Considering their form at home and the quality they have, i had no real issue with our approach for the first half to stay in the game.

What I didn't understand was the approach with around 15/20 mins to go. Our GD is so superior to the teams around us at this late stage that going for broke to try and get a point, whilst risking conceding again, seemed worth it, yet we just didn't offer anything. Arsenal were hardly stable in those final stages yet we just continued to sit and protect a 1-0 defeat, which just seemed odd. The rewards of having a go far outweighed the risk of conceding another goal.

Re: Match day - Arsenal v TOON

by jpg » Mon Apr 01, 2019 9:01 pm

Not our strongest performance by any means. Arsenal are a very good side though.

I did find it laughable how outraged the pundits/commentators were over a goal being disallowed due a blatant shirt pull on Lejeune. The biased punditry in general wasn’t particularly subtle tonight.

Re: Match day - Arsenal v TOON

by originallad » Mon Apr 01, 2019 8:59 pm

Colly wrote: ↑
Mon Apr 01, 2019 8:57 pm
 Were we really that bad? I missed the first 15 minutes and while we were toothless in attack we weren't made into a laughing stock, and were still realistically in it with 15 minutes to go. That's not horrendous away at 3rd in the league.

And that's from someone openly critical of Rafa's setup against the likes of City away, tonight wasnt the horrible flat back 5, at least Yedlin and Ritchie got forward.
This

Re: Match day - Arsenal v TOON

by Don Sholeone » Mon Apr 01, 2019 8:57 pm

Bodacious Benny wrote: ↑
Mon Apr 01, 2019 8:48 pm
Toondes wrote: ↑
Mon Apr 01, 2019 8:44 pm

I wouldn’t say any defeat is meaningless when you’re fighting relegation. If we play like this the rest of the season we won’t pick up any more points.
This has been pathetic and it’s showing a massive lack of respect to the fans when they clearly turn up playing like they’ve lost from the start.
Although we’re not mathematically safe I didn’t think it’s a relegation battle now. This is one game, we’ve played pretty well for the most part lately. They’re superior all over the pitch and have 9 home wins on the bounce before this. I’m happy to write this one off.
I dont mind losing to a good Arsenal team, but i think the attitude of some of the players tonight stunk, not seen a lazier performance all season, Diame constantly ball watching seemed like the second person to every 50/50 ball and pass, Rondon didnt chase anything down all night, and overall the quality of play was relegation standard imo.

Re: Match day - Arsenal v TOON

by Colly » Mon Apr 01, 2019 8:57 pm

Were we really that bad? I missed the first 15 minutes and while we were toothless in attack we weren't made into a laughing stock, and were still realistically in it with 15 minutes to go. That's not horrendous away at 3rd in the league.

And that's from someone openly critical of Rafa's setup against the likes of City away, tonight wasnt the horrible flat back 5, at least Yedlin and Ritchie got forward.

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