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Re: Rondon or Mitrovic

by Sanchino » Sun Apr 21, 2019 8:32 am

Even though it won't happen, the more I think about it the more I would want Mitrovic returning if one Rondon doesn't sign and two Rafa doesn't stay. Still young with great potential and is always a threat, I think he'll work well with the improved Perez and Miggy around him.

Re: Rondon or Mitrovic

by Hjl » Sat Apr 20, 2019 4:55 pm

Clever foul there.

Re: Rondon or Mitrovic

by bodacious benny » Sat Apr 20, 2019 3:35 pm

Apparently Mitro should have been sent off for an elbow to Ake’s face today.

Re: Rondon or Mitrovic

by Toondes » Fri Apr 12, 2019 8:59 pm

Colly wrote: ↑
Fri Apr 12, 2019 7:27 pm
 Don't get points for hitting the bar...
You do on the crossbar challenge

Re: Rondon or Mitrovic

by Colly » Fri Apr 12, 2019 7:27 pm

Don't get points for hitting the bar...

Re: Rondon or Mitrovic

by ALF » Fri Apr 12, 2019 7:15 pm

Rondon is a better free kick taker.

Re: Rondon or Mitrovic

by Remember Colo » Fri Apr 12, 2019 3:24 pm

I think it's really hard to compare us and Fulham and project who would do better were the roles reversed. Yes, for the first half of the season they were more attacking, but there were also far more options in their side seeking to score, wherein we've relied heavily on Rondon being the target man and only real goal threat. I'm not saying that as evidence for Mitro, but rather that I don't think it's fair to assume the situation was easier for him - or better positioned for him to score more.

Re: Rondon or Mitrovic

by vrabbit » Thu Apr 11, 2019 5:48 pm

I think they've both proved they're PL starting quality strikers. To answer this question I have to keep in mind who the manager is, and with Rafa it's going to be Rondon over Mitro.

This isn't even my opinion, it's Mitro's: https://talksport.com/football/438147/n ... ez-fulham/
Aleksandar Mitrovic admits he and Rafa Benitez never suited one another tactically, leading him to force a move away from Newcastle United.
I didn’t suit his tactics and I didn’t really feel comfortable to play, so he couldn’t get the best out of me. But it is nothing personal – just business
On top of that, although at this point we've scored more goals than Fulham (31 to 30) that's mostly due to their awful dip in form since February (just 5 goals since, compared to our 10). Their attacking approach overall is much more liberal than ours (their league-worst defense is what's getting them relegated) and it's a bit concerning that Mitro has only scored in one game so far in 2019.

Rondon on the other hand (as lassassinblanc already noted), has a better goals/start ratio this season and leads the team not just in goals but also assists.

If you project flipping them, would Rondon still have the same stats/impact if he had been with Fulham this season? I think so. Would Mitro still have the same stats/impact if he had been with us this season? I'm not so sure.

I think about this RE: Rondon at WBA too. He suffered through Pulis and the aftermath for 3 seasons there. This season in the Championship they've had a much more attacking approach (they're the 2nd-highest scoring team behind Norwich, who are at this point all but promoted). Would Rondon have been able to get the 18 goals and 2 assists Gayle has gotten there so far? I absolutely believe so.

Re: Rondon or Mitrovic

by Micky Quim » Thu Apr 11, 2019 3:41 pm

Rondon has fitted better because he has been allowed to fit into the team. I really liked Mitro and he clearly loved the club. Its a shame he didnt get a chance with Rafa. Saying that tho, Im quite happy with Rondon although I doubt he will ever be prolific - we could do with them both tbh

Re: Rondon or Mitrovic

by Remember Colo » Thu Apr 11, 2019 2:47 pm

ALF wrote: ↑
Thu Apr 11, 2019 11:37 am
Don Sholeone wrote: ↑
Thu Apr 11, 2019 10:07 am
 I think it says a lot that age is the only thing going for Mitro in the comparisons.

Rondon is the better player, he does everything better, scoring, assisting, hold up, workrate, has more footballing intelligence and isn't a t***.
Yeah this is just wrong. Mitrovic has more goals this season than Rondon has ever got in a PL season. This is despite playing for one of the worst PL teams in history. He even has more international goals than Rondon in 25 less caps. The only things that Rondon has over Mitrovic for definite is workrate and discipline. Even then Mitrovic has grown up a lot, being trusted with the captaincy for half of the season.
This. I truly believe Mitrovic is the better player, although I also know he shouldn't (and won't) come back - and may not be a better player in Rafa's system (whatever that means), and I'm at peace with that.

Re: Rondon or Mitrovic

by Sanchino » Thu Apr 11, 2019 1:32 pm

lassassinblanc wrote: ↑
Tue Apr 09, 2019 1:28 pm
 Firstly I like Mitro I do, but he simply doesn't work in the tactics Rafa wishes to play. Rondon's hold up play and link up play with Perez and the midfield has been superb something Mitro didn't do during his time at the club.

They have similar number of goals ( 10 and 9 )but Mitrovic has played more games than Rondon (32 to 27) so in a sense Rondon's record is better.

In terms of discipline Mitrovic has been booked 6 times to Rondon's 1 so again a better record there especially considering Rondon's as I stated above is more involved in build up and hold up play which in the premier league can sometimes draw fouls.

Rondon has assisted 5 goals this season to Mitrovic's 1 so he is better in this sense too.

Also If West Brom don't get promoted we can get Rondon for 16.5m compared to the 50m which Fulham currently rate Mitrovic at.
This pretty much sums it up for me. Rondon seems a better fit overall and has played fewer games. Only thing is Mitrov is younger and has more potential to develop and grow while Rondon's discipline, work-rate, attitude, build-up and hold-up play are better. There similar in style but I voted for Rondon as with a full pre-season with Miggy and Perez he'll only get more chances and do better next season plus if we get a few more quality attacking additions to compliment him who knows. He won't get you 20+ goals but 10 - 15 solid return, knows the league inside out, aerial ability, hold-up / build-up play, strong as a ox, works his socks off and fits the current system to a peach.

Re: Rondon or Mitrovic

by ALF » Thu Apr 11, 2019 11:37 am

Don Sholeone wrote: ↑
Thu Apr 11, 2019 10:07 am
 I think it says a lot that age is the only thing going for Mitro in the comparisons.

Rondon is the better player, he does everything better, scoring, assisting, hold up, workrate, has more footballing intelligence and isn't a t***.
Yeah this is just wrong. Mitrovic has more goals this season than Rondon has ever got in a PL season. This is despite playing for one of the worst PL teams in history. He even has more international goals than Rondon in 25 less caps. The only things that Rondon has over Mitrovic for definite is workrate and discipline. Even then Mitrovic has grown up a lot, being trusted with the captaincy for half of the season.

Re: Rondon or Mitrovic

by Colly » Thu Apr 11, 2019 10:36 am

Don Sholeone wrote: ↑
Thu Apr 11, 2019 10:07 am
 I think it says a lot that age is the only thing going for Mitro in the comparisons.

Rondon is the better player, he does everything better, scoring, assisting, hold up, workrate, has more footballing intelligence and isn't a t***.
I think an awful lot of that is very debatable, even before you consider the fact that comparing age suggests Rondon is at his peak (before we've even signed him permanently) while Mitrovic has time to improve. It's not just a number...

Re: Rondon or Mitrovic

by Don Sholeone » Thu Apr 11, 2019 10:07 am

I think it says a lot that age is the only thing going for Mitro in the comparisons.

Rondon is the better player, he does everything better, scoring, assisting, hold up, workrate, has more footballing intelligence and isn't a t***.

Re: Rondon or Mitrovic

by Aldridge Prior » Wed Apr 10, 2019 9:26 pm

ALF wrote: ↑
Wed Apr 10, 2019 7:56 pm
 Went for Mitrovic(obviously) but it's a close one. I think the age gap is a massive factor, Rondon isn't getting any younger and he's already gassed at the 75 minute mark.
Not sure how that boosts Mitro's position. He always looks chronically unfit. In fact, considering Rondon's work rate I think he looks fitter than Mitro.

Re: Rondon or Mitrovic

by ALF » Wed Apr 10, 2019 7:56 pm

Went for Mitrovic(obviously) but it's a close one. I think the age gap is a massive factor, Rondon isn't getting any younger and he's already gassed at the 75 minute mark. His hold up play is massively overrated by our fans though, it's good but not great.

Re: Rondon or Mitrovic

by UlversToon » Wed Apr 10, 2019 6:56 pm

Come next August I wouldn't be surprised if we're starting with Gayle up front with Carroll as back up.

Re: Rondon or Mitrovic

by overseasTOON » Wed Apr 10, 2019 3:30 pm

Rondovic for me

Re: Rondon or Mitrovic

by Remember Colo » Wed Apr 10, 2019 2:19 pm

lassassinblanc wrote: ↑
Tue Apr 09, 2019 2:23 pm
Remember Colo wrote: ↑
Tue Apr 09, 2019 2:09 pm
 As much as I loved him, I wouldn't buy him back. Once a player or manager leaves, it's easy to continue seeking them out because we're familiar with them, but it really shouldn't happen.

Though I will say that I think the idea he doesn't fit our tactics is so overstated. His hold-up play was always strong, and I don't think he and Rondon are nearly as different of players as people suggest, which is actually why I was pretty baffled from the start that he had absolutely no interest in playing Mitro for allegedly tactics reasons, and then was so focused on buying a big target man. I don't say that as a criticism of Rondon, because he has done well, but if anything I think it illustrates that Mitro could have too had he played more.
I think i seen somewhere that Mitro wasn't comfortable with the running and off the ball work which Rafa wanted him to do.

Which I agree with 100% I highlighted this in a thread not to long ago I think it was against Huddersfield were Mitrovic loses the ball on just outside the area and doesn't track back (moaned a little too), now of course Huddersfield went up the other end lost the ball and a quick counter seen Mitro score the winner but that was more down to the Huddersfield player making a balls of it rather then a Fulham player winning it back. I will also add that had the Huddersfield defense been smart and more clued in Mitro could have easily been caught offside.

I'll try dig out some distance covered stats between the two this season later this week but I remember looking at it around November and Mitro had an average of 99km compared to Rondon's 60km at the time Mitro had played nearly double the amount of minutes Rondon had, I know different style of play and everything but I think on average Mitro was about 5-6 km a game compared to Rondon's 8-9km which is a massive difference
Oh I wouldn't doubt if that was part of the problem, although if I was completely honest, I kinda wish Rondon ran a little less off the ball, because it often seems like he wears down late in matches, and he's overall looked worn down in the latter part of the season. I wonder if the amount of running he does to chase down the keeper and defenders goes a bit to waste. Don't get me wrong, as others have said, he's been a great fit, one of the bright spots of this season, and I do love his effort. I'm quite happy to have him, don't want Mitro back down - but I am anxious to have another good striker option to complement him going forward.

Re: Rondon or Mitrovic

by bodacious benny » Wed Apr 10, 2019 1:49 pm

I still don't really buy into the argument that Mitro had a disciplinary problem. Yeah he got sent off on his debut (I think) against Arsenal and was lucky against Wolves a couple of seasons back not to see red, but I don't think it was anything out of the ordinary or worse than most other players. Look at some of the tackles that Kane has thrown himself into in the past. Mitro was just a young player giving as good as he got, and I suspect his yellow/red card count isn't wildly dissimilar to most physical forwards. As has been said before by people, Shelvey is/was always more of a liability disciplinary wise.

But in terms of the question I'd take Rondon. He has an excellent goals return given the lack of service most of the season (and he didn't start a lot of games early on either), fully buys into how Rafa wants to play, and really works hard all over the pitch. Would I want us to re-sing Mitro? No, that ship has sailed. Plus when he left he came out with the old "living in the spotlight in Newcastle was impossible" type lines.

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