by Sanchino » Tue Apr 23, 2019 12:14 am
Beatski wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2019 2:26 pm
Sanchino wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2019 12:29 pm
Yeah that's a valid and fair point. Just saying that Ritchie with his style of play by 32/33 he will potentially decline as he was never blessed with pace so imagine him in a few years time if he loses that extra yard of speed he won't be as useful as he is now but his footballing brain and crossing will of course still be there but will he be able to run around with his high work-rate like he used too? Daddy age can catch up to anyone.. plus when you lose that extra yard of speed it will affect how you play as you will have to time your runs better, pressure more selectively, when to hold and when to go and you won't be able to get past a speedy young full-back to get a better cross or pass in. Those little things at Premier League level are worth there weight in gold, of course you have some phenomenal exceptions were you'll see players in there mid thirties still performing but they've had to adjust there position on the pitch, will play more selectively instead of playing week in week out or the team's had to make adjustments to fit in a older player so they can play to there strengths. Take an example Glen Murray who's 35 and still scoring goals at this level, but Brighton know how to play to his strengths and they don't expect him to make long-bursting runs, chase every ball or run in behind defenses but they know if you give him service in and around the penalty box he will score, mind most of his goals sometimes come from headers or pens but credit were credit is due he's still doing his thing.
isn't it the other way round? players who's game doesn't rely on pace tend to have longer careers?
Yes but those players tend to suit the system there playing in. For example as I mentioned in one of my earlier posts if Ritchie was a wide midfielder providing ammunition for two target-men like Carroll/Rondon/Mitrovic players in a 4-4-2 system then fair enough but in a high intensity pressure counter attacking style of football like Rafa likes to implant I don't see a future for Ritchie unless he doesn't mind being on the bench/back-up for the wing-back positions and wide-forward positions which is unlikely as he's good enough to play for a mid-table/lower-half Premier League team or newly promoted side due to his experience, crossing ability, dead ball delivery and work-rate. I'm just saying if we strive to be a top-half team challenging regularly in the top 8 or so and have lofty ambitious then the likes of Manquillo, Yedelin and Ritchie need to be upgraded in those wing-back positions. Same in other positions with players like Diame, Joselu, Atsu, etc there steady players but if we want to keep improving and being were we want to be we need to sign quality, not only for the starting eleven but a whole 18 squad, that's what makes the difference at the end of the day that's why the current six are so strong and ahead of the rest of the pack due to there strength in depth and quality not only in the starting XI but on the bench.
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Yeah that's a valid and fair point. Just saying that Ritchie with his style of play by 32/33 he will potentially decline as he was never blessed with pace so imagine him in a few years time if he loses that extra yard of speed he won't be as useful as he is now but his footballing brain and crossing will of course still be there but will he be able to run around with his high work-rate like he used too? Daddy age can catch up to anyone.. plus when you lose that extra yard of speed it will affect how you play as you will have to time your runs better, pressure more selectively, when to hold and when to go and you won't be able to get past a speedy young full-back to get a better cross or pass in. Those little things at Premier League level are worth there weight in gold, of course you have some phenomenal exceptions were you'll see players in there mid thirties still performing but they've had to adjust there position on the pitch, will play more selectively instead of playing week in week out or the team's had to make adjustments to fit in a older player so they can play to there strengths. Take an example Glen Murray who's 35 and still scoring goals at this level, but Brighton know how to play to his strengths and they don't expect him to make long-bursting runs, chase every ball or run in behind defenses but they know if you give him service in and around the penalty box he will score, mind most of his goals sometimes come from headers or pens but credit were credit is due he's still doing his thing. <applause>
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isn't it the other way round? players who's game doesn't rely on pace tend to have longer careers?
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Yes but those players tend to suit the system there playing in. For example as I mentioned in one of my earlier posts if Ritchie was a wide midfielder providing ammunition for two target-men like Carroll/Rondon/Mitrovic players in a 4-4-2 system then fair enough but in a high intensity pressure counter attacking style of football like Rafa likes to implant I don't see a future for Ritchie unless he doesn't mind being on the bench/back-up for the wing-back positions and wide-forward positions which is unlikely as he's good enough to play for a mid-table/lower-half Premier League team or newly promoted side due to his experience, crossing ability, dead ball delivery and work-rate. I'm just saying if we strive to be a top-half team challenging regularly in the top 8 or so and have lofty ambitious then the likes of Manquillo, Yedelin and Ritchie need to be upgraded in those wing-back positions. Same in other positions with players like Diame, Joselu, Atsu, etc there steady players but if we want to keep improving and being were we want to be we need to sign quality, not only for the starting eleven but a whole 18 squad, that's what makes the difference at the end of the day that's why the current six are so strong and ahead of the rest of the pack due to there strength in depth and quality not only in the starting XI but on the bench.
