Loan Updates

by **ALF** » Tue Oct 15, 2019 4:34 pm

Blue & Maroon wrote: ↑
Mon Oct 14, 2019 6:54 pm

ALF wrote: ↑
Mon Oct 14, 2019 4:09 pm

It's just bad choices for clubs to go to. It's like we're just playing FM and think 'decent enough side, we'll send him there'. Sounds like that's 2 loans in a row where he just hasn't fit into their side, similar to when we sent Armstrong to Barnsley and Campbell anywhere.
Campbell was/is just s***.

Probably true. But he was managed horrifically. 5 loans to 5 different clubs between August 13 and January 15. This was after getting minutes at first team level at the end of the 12/13 season.

by **Blue & Maroon** » Mon Oct 14, 2019 6:54 pm

ALF wrote: ↑
Mon Oct 14, 2019 4:09 pm

Bodacious Benny wrote: ↑
Sun Oct 13, 2019 3:27 pm
Didn’t the same think happen to him on loan last year? If so you have to ask if it’s the club he’s at that’s the issue, or is he part of the problem? Not saying he is, but it’s a possibility.
It's just bad choices for clubs to go to. It's like we're just playing FM and think 'decent enough side, we'll send him there'. Sounds like that's 2 loans in a row where he just hasn't fit into their side, similar to when we sent Armstrong to Barnsley and Campbell anywhere.

Campbell was/is just s***.

by **ALF** » Mon Oct 14, 2019 4:09 pm

Bodacious Benny wrote: ↑
Sun Oct 13, 2019 3:27 pm
Didn’t the same think happen to him on loan last year? If so you have to ask if it’s the club he’s at that’s the issue, or is he part of the problem? Not saying he is, but it’s a possibility.

It's just bad choices for clubs to go to. It's like we're just playing FM and think 'decent enough side, we'll send him there'. Sounds like that's 2 loans in a row where he just hasn't fit into their side, similar to when we sent Armstrong to Barnsley and Campbell anywhere.

by **Colly** » Mon Oct 14, 2019 12:07 pm

We did occasionally. Don't forget that while Riviere was probably bad, that was in one of our frequent "strikers get zero service" periods where we could have had Ronaldo in his pomp and he'd have scored three goals a season. See also Luuk Dr Hong and more than likely Joelinton.

by **bodacious benny** » Mon Oct 14, 2019 11:09 am

Beatski wrote: ↑
Sun Oct 13, 2019 7:51 pm
Not a loanee any more, but Ivan Toney is the top scorer in English football, with 10 goals so far in League One

If he was around the same time as Riviere we should've just given him a go

by **beatski** » Sun Oct 13, 2019 7:51 pm

Not a loanee any more, but Ivan Toney is the top scorer in English football, with 10 goals so far in League One

by **bodacious benny** » Sun Oct 13, 2019 3:27 pm

Didn’t the same think happen to him on loan last year? If so you have to ask if it’s the club he’s at that’s the issue, or is he part of the problem? Not saying he is, but it’s a possibility.

by **overseasTOON** » Sun Oct 13, 2019 2:44 pm

Sorensen needs to move to a new loan club in January.

This shift at Carlisle is pointless for his development given he's 20 now and must be at a club where he plays matches.

by **bodacious benny** » Tue Oct 08, 2019 11:09 am

From nufc.com:

It finished 1-1 at home to Venezia in Serie B on Saturday, but Lazaar was again omitted from the squad. Former flop Emmanuel Riviere scored the Cosenza goal.

by **bodacious benny** » Thu Sep 26, 2019 3:53 pm

Another stellar showing from Lazaar

Achraf Lazaar (Cosenza)
Tuesday saw Cosenza held 1-1 at home by Livorno in Serie B, Lazaar restored to the starting lineup but replaced after just 38 minutes.

What on earth Rafa saw in him (and a few others...) I have no idea!

by **Blue & Maroon** » Thu Sep 19, 2019 8:38 pm

Remember Colo wrote: ↑
Thu Sep 19, 2019 7:46 pm

Blue & Maroon wrote: ↑
Thu Sep 19, 2019 7:22 pm
Maybe he's just s***? Not ready for League 2 football.

We often have an arrogance that our young players should be starting games for lower league clubs despite the fact we've never seen them play and never seen any or Carlisle's players play. League football, Conference football is a much higher level than U 21s .
Oh I wasn't even saying he's entitled to be playing. But regardless of whether a loan player is good enough to play or not, if they're not playing, it's a huge waste of a time, and both clubs should have made sure it was the right level for the kid. Obviously you won't always get that right, but it seems to happen more than it should.

I'm just still bitter from when people said he'd be too good for Gateshead

You are right though, big waste of time if they've just loaned him out because it's close, without really caring about the level or the squad he'll be competing with.

by **Remember Colo** » Thu Sep 19, 2019 7:46 pm

Blue & Maroon wrote: ↑
Thu Sep 19, 2019 7:22 pm
Maybe he's just s***? Not ready for League 2 football.

We often have an arrogance that our young players should be starting games for lower league clubs despite the fact we've never seen them play and never seen any or Carlisle's players play. League football, Conference football is a much higher level than U 21s .

Oh I wasn't even saying he's entitled to be playing. But regardless of whether a loan player is good enough to play or not, if they're not playing, it's a huge waste of a time, and both clubs should have made sure it was the right level for the kid. Obviously you won't always get that right, but it seems to happen more than it should.

by **Blue & Maroon** » Thu Sep 19, 2019 7:22 pm

Maybe he's just s***? Not ready for League 2 football.

We often have an arrogance that our young players should be starting games for lower league clubs despite the fact we've never seen them play and never seen any or Carlisle's players play. League football, Conference football is a much higher level than U 21s .

by **Remember Colo** » Thu Sep 19, 2019 5:26 pm

Tsi wrote: ↑
Thu Sep 19, 2019 1:32 pm

Remember Colo wrote: ↑
Wed Sep 18, 2019 2:18 pm
The club (Shola?) really dropped the ball on Sorensen's loan. Clearly the manager there had no plans for him, and hasn't a clue how to use his players.
I actually thought Carlisle was a good place for him when it happened, from reading forums and the like unfortunately the manager doesn't seem to know what his best formation or starting 11 is. Add in the fact that when they've won they've played direct and he's played on the right in some games both don't suit his style of play. It's still early yet and things might change between now and Jan if they don't we just pull him out and send him elsewhere for the rest of the season.

I guess I'm curious what conversations happen when loans get agreed. I'd like to think the clubs discuss formations, roles, and the like to ensure it's mutually beneficial, but then it becomes apparent sometimes they don't have any plan for how to use the player.

by **bodacious benny** » Thu Sep 19, 2019 2:14 pm

He’s in danger of becoming the next Adam Campbell with a series of pointless loan moves.

by **Tsi** » Thu Sep 19, 2019 1:32 pm

Remember Colo wrote: ↑
Wed Sep 18, 2019 2:18 pm
The club (Shola?) really dropped the ball on Sorensen's loan. Clearly the manager there had no plans for him, and hasn't a clue how to use his players.

I actually thought Carlisle was a good place for him when it happened, from reading forums and the like unfortunately the manager doesn't seem to know what his best formation or starting 11 is. Add in the fact that when they've won they've played direct and he's played on the right in some games both don't suit his style of play. It's still early yet and things might change between now and Jan if they don't we just pull him out and send him elsewhere for the rest of the season.

by **overseasTOON** » Wed Sep 18, 2019 7:51 pm

Colly wrote: ↑
Wed Sep 18, 2019 2:32 pm
There's only so much you can do as the loaning club though, if Carlisle are being useless all you can really do is pull him back and send him elsewhere in January. Don't forget what we did (**** all) with Giuseppe Rossi, and that was during a striker injury crisis.

Yeah. Still gave him more appearances than Man Utd ever did though.

by **Colly** » Wed Sep 18, 2019 2:32 pm

There's only so much you can do as the loaning club though, if Carlisle are being useless all you can really do is pull him back and send him elsewhere in January. Don't forget what we did (f*** all) with Giuseppe Rossi, and that was during a striker injury crisis.

by **Remember Colo** » Wed Sep 18, 2019 2:18 pm

The club (Shola?) really dropped the ball on Sorensen's loan. Clearly the manager there had no plans for him, and hasn't a clue how to use his players.

by **Tsi** » Wed Sep 18, 2019 1:21 am

Some mid week games for some of our loans

Rolando Aarons (Wycombe Wanderers):

Picked up a knock in his debut and has missed two games now including Tuesdays 1-1 draw with Accrington Stanley.

Elias Sorensen (Carlisle United):

Unused sub yet again, this loan is turning into a waste of time as he's play 113 minutes out of a possible 630 so far. He watched on as his team drew 0-0 with Forest Green Rovers.

Kelland Watts (Stevenage):

Another 90mins for Watts in a 0-1 home loss to Northampton Town. No comments on the forums about Watts but plenty said about some players being s*** (main gripe is midfield) with others arguing it's either the managers fault or the chairman for not bringing in an experienced guy as manager. Despite all this he seems to be doing ok in what seems like a tough situation.

Edit found one comment on Watts:

Watts was great again today, he is class and will have an awesome career.

Liam Gibson (Grimsby Town):

After 60 mins on Sat Liam played the full 90 on Tuesday in a 0-1 at Salford City. Good to see him get his first 90 mins since going out on loan.

Dan Barlaser (Rotherham United):

Not in the starting line up and came on as a 93rd minute sub against the mackems in a 1-1 draw at the SOL.

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