MIDWEEK FOOTBALL - 23/25 JUNE 2020

by **Remember Colo** » Mon Jun 29, 2020 2:19 pm

Bodacious Benny wrote: ↑
Sun Jun 28, 2020 10:21 am
It’s irrelevant if the fees they got were inflated, they set the price and other clubs paid it. Nobody forced them too so it’s an entirely legitimate point. And for the most part all of their incoming transfers have been important players for the team and not too many duds.

And I'd add, it doesn't matter how much the players were worth, if the point is just that their owners have spent a lot of money, net spend is completely relevant, because it illustrates their owners in fact haven't been out of pocket very much. I'm sure Ashley himself would have laid 500m over 5 years if you could promise him he'd get back 430m over the same period.

by **bodacious benny** » Sun Jun 28, 2020 10:21 am

It’s irrelevant if the fees they got were inflated, they set the price and other clubs paid it. Nobody forced them too so it’s an entirely legitimate point. And for the most part all of their incoming transfers have been important players for the team and not too many duds.

by **Don Sholeone** » Sun Jun 28, 2020 9:13 am

Bodacious Benny wrote: ↑
Sat Jun 27, 2020 11:54 pm
Net spend is £74m, I’d say that’s pretty bloody impressive actually.

I hate the net spend argument with liverpool, it always ignores the fact they got some ridiculously over inflated fees, like the Coutinho one for a start, he was never in the range of a £150m player, they even got in the region of 20m a pop on players like ibe and Solanke, 30m for Benteke. 12m for Danny Ward (I'll wait whilst you google who the hell he is). If you look through the sales under klopp for some reason they were getting stupid money for some absolute trash. They have multiple youth players leaving for around 7-8m that you have never heard of before or after. They have one of the most skewed net spends going.

Over the last 10 years they make the top 10 in world football for player expenditure, spending just shy of 1 billion on players.

by **bodacious benny** » Sat Jun 27, 2020 11:54 pm

Net spend is £74m, I’d say that’s pretty bloody impressive actually.

by **Don Sholeone** » Sat Jun 27, 2020 10:19 pm

Just realised Klopp alone has spent nearly half a billion on players at Liverpool

I really hope our takeover goes through. Although FFP probably won't allow us to compete with that kind of spending.

by **Valentino's fast feet** » Sat Jun 27, 2020 12:54 pm

Bodacious Benny wrote: ↑
Sat Jun 27, 2020 12:37 pm

CIH wrote: ↑
Sat Jun 27, 2020 11:51 am

TAA clearly has the potential versatility to play elsewhere on the pitch. Whether it be further forward or in the centre of midfield. I think if Liverpool had more options at RB we may have already seen a transition. As it stands currently though, he's definitely the first choice RB for England for me. It's a good problem to have though with James and Wan-Bisakka in the wings. Not to mention Trippier and Walker knocking about.
Has any team ever had as much strength in one single position as England have at RB?!

Could throw in Clyne and Max Aarons as well

by **bodacious benny** » Sat Jun 27, 2020 12:37 pm

CIH wrote: ↑
Sat Jun 27, 2020 11:51 am

ALF wrote: ↑
Sat Jun 27, 2020 11:34 am

I don't think it's close right now but I think Reece James has more potential than TAA at the moment. He's a more rounded player even if he isn't anywhere near as effective going forward as TAA right now.
TAA clearly has the potential versatility to play elsewhere on the pitch. Whether it be further forward or in the centre of midfield. I think if Liverpool had more options at RB we may have already seen a transition. As it stands currently though, he's definitely the first choice RB for England for me. It's a good problem to have though with James and Wan-Bisakka in the wings. Not to mention Trippier and Walker knocking about.

Has any team ever had as much strength in one single position as England have at RB?!

by **Valentino's fast feet** » Sat Jun 27, 2020 12:07 pm

ALF wrote: ↑
Sat Jun 27, 2020 11:58 am

CIH wrote: ↑
Sat Jun 27, 2020 11:51 am

TAA clearly has the potential versatility to play elsewhere on the pitch. Whether it be further forward or in the centre of midfield. I think if Liverpool had more options at RB we may have already seen a transition. As it stands currently though, he's definitely the first choice RB for England for me. It's a good problem to have though with James and Wan-Bisakka in the wings. Not to mention Trippier and Walker knocking about.
I think TAA has a clear weakness defensively. He gets away with it for Liverpool but his positioning is horrendous and he's struggled for England a couple of times. It wouldn't surprise me if he moves further forward as technically he could play anywhere. Although the question is whether he'd find the space further up the field. As things stand the defenders and midfielders are largely occupied with the Liverpool attacking players so he gets more space to deliver his crosses and play his passes. If he's playing CM or RW then he'd likely be marked a lot tighter.

Hopefully he gets the opportunity to explore some versatility, he's obviously far more valuable in an attacking sense than defensively. Some of the assists him and Robertson get for Liverpool are insane. For England, either central or to the right in a diamond could be beneficial down the line. With someone much more defensive like AWB in the right back role to cover him if he goes marauding forward on adventures.

by **ALF** » Sat Jun 27, 2020 11:58 am

CIH wrote: ↑
Sat Jun 27, 2020 11:51 am

ALF wrote: ↑
Sat Jun 27, 2020 11:34 am

I don't think it's close right now but I think Reece James has more potential than TAA at the moment. He's a more rounded player even if he isn't anywhere near as effective going forward as TAA right now.
TAA clearly has the potential versatility to play elsewhere on the pitch. Whether it be further forward or in the centre of midfield. I think if Liverpool had more options at RB we may have already seen a transition. As it stands currently though, he's definitely the first choice RB for England for me. It's a good problem to have though with James and Wan-Bisakka in the wings. Not to mention Trippier and Walker knocking about.

I think TAA has a clear weakness defensively. He gets away with it for Liverpool but his positioning is horrendous and he's struggled for England a couple of times. It wouldn't surprise me if he moves further forward as technically he could play anywhere. Although the question is whether he'd find the space further up the field. As things stand the defenders and midfielders are largely occupied with the Liverpool attacking players so he gets more space to deliver his crosses and play his passes. If he's playing CM or RW then he'd likely be marked a lot tighter.

by **Valentino's fast feet** » Sat Jun 27, 2020 11:51 am

ALF wrote: ↑
Sat Jun 27, 2020 11:34 am

Bodacious Benny wrote: ↑
Sat Jun 27, 2020 11:30 am

Fair enough he’s played more than I thought - but it’s not even remotely close between him and TAA at the moment.
I don't think it's close right now but I think Reece James has more potential than TAA at the moment. He's a more rounded player even if he isn't anywhere near as effective going forward as TAA right now.

TAA clearly has the potential versatility to play elsewhere on the pitch. Whether it be further forward or in the centre of midfield. I think if Liverpool had more options at RB we may have already seen a transition. As it stands currently though, he's definitely the first choice RB for England for me. It's a good problem to have though with James and Wan-Bisakka in the wings. Not to mention Trippier and Walker knocking about.

by **ALF** » Sat Jun 27, 2020 11:34 am

Bodacious Benny wrote: ↑
Sat Jun 27, 2020 11:30 am

ALF wrote: ↑
Sat Jun 27, 2020 10:40 am

He's played nearly 30 times for them this season including 17 starts at RB. He's definitely well on the way to becoming their first choice RB at only 20 years old.
Fair enough he’s played more than I thought - but it’s not even remotely close between him and TAA at the moment.

I don't think it's close right now but I think Reece James has more potential than TAA at the moment. He's a more rounded player even if he isn't anywhere near as effective going forward as TAA right now.

by **bodacious benny** » Sat Jun 27, 2020 11:30 am

ALF wrote: ↑
Sat Jun 27, 2020 10:40 am

Bodacious Benny wrote: ↑
Sat Jun 27, 2020 12:46 am

Reece James has played about 5 games for Chelsea and isn’t even their number 1 RB.

TAA is part of the best defence in the league so can’t be that bad. I’d take him over AWB any day of the week.
He's played nearly 30 times for them this season including 17 starts at RB. He's definitely well on the way to becoming their first choice RB at only 20 years old.

Fair enough he’s played more than I thought - but it’s not even remotely close between him and TAA at the moment.

by **ALF** » Sat Jun 27, 2020 10:40 am

Bodacious Benny wrote: ↑
Sat Jun 27, 2020 12:46 am

ALF wrote: ↑
Fri Jun 26, 2020 6:41 pm

Agree with that. But it could mean AWB or James get the England RB spot ahead of him.
Reece James has played about 5 games for Chelsea and isn’t even their number 1 RB.

TAA is part of the best defence in the league so can’t be that bad. I’d take him over AWB any day of the week.

He's played nearly 30 times for them this season including 17 starts at RB. He's definitely well on the way to becoming their first choice RB at only 20 years old.

by **krully** » Sat Jun 27, 2020 7:59 am

Beatski wrote: ↑
Fri Jun 26, 2020 11:10 pm

jpg wrote: ↑
Fri Jun 26, 2020 10:41 pm

The ‘30 years of hurt’ line is a bit rich for a club who’ve won almost 20 trophies in that time alone.
Never stopped them dreaming

Or being deluded

by **bodacious benny** » Sat Jun 27, 2020 12:46 am

ALF wrote: ↑
Fri Jun 26, 2020 6:41 pm

Remember Colo wrote: ↑
Fri Jun 26, 2020 6:00 pm

Doesn't really need to be for them either. Best defence is a good offence tends to apply to them. Especially once they finally got a good keeper and CB.
Agree with that. But it could mean AWB or James get the England RB spot ahead of him.

Reece James has played about 5 games for Chelsea and isn’t even their number 1 RB.

TAA is part of the best defence in the league so can’t be that bad. I’d take him over AWB any day of the week.

by **beatski** » Fri Jun 26, 2020 11:10 pm

jpg wrote: ↑
Fri Jun 26, 2020 10:41 pm

Don Sholeone wrote: ↑
Thu Jun 25, 2020 10:08 pm
So it begins. Obviously its fully deserved but this is going to be framed like its the greatest ever title win, Sky Sports already have a conference call full of ex liverpool.
The ‘30 years of hurt’ line is a bit rich for a club who’ve won almost 20 trophies in that time alone.

Never stopped them dreaming

by **jpg** » Fri Jun 26, 2020 10:41 pm

Don Sholeone wrote: ↑
Thu Jun 25, 2020 10:08 pm
So it begins. Obviously its fully deserved but this is going to be framed like its the greatest ever title win, Sky Sports already have a conference call full of ex liverpool.

The ‘30 years of hurt’ line is a bit rich for a club who’ve won almost 20 trophies in that time alone.

by **ALF** » Fri Jun 26, 2020 6:41 pm

Remember Colo wrote: ↑
Fri Jun 26, 2020 6:00 pm

ALF wrote: ↑
Fri Jun 26, 2020 3:49 pm

Yeah he's miles better defensively, Trent is not a good defender at all.
Doesn't really need to be for them either. Best defence is a good offence tends to apply to them. Especially once they finally got a good keeper and CB.

Agree with that. But it could mean AWB or James get the England RB spot ahead of him.

by **Remember Colo** » Fri Jun 26, 2020 6:00 pm

ALF wrote: ↑
Fri Jun 26, 2020 3:49 pm

Don Sholeone wrote: ↑
Fri Jun 26, 2020 3:33 pm
Defensively I'd put Wan Bissaka well ahead of Trent, hes just not as good attacking.
Yeah he's miles better defensively, Trent is not a good defender at all.

Doesn't really need to be for them either. Best defence is a good offence tends to apply to them. Especially once they finally got a good keeper and CB.

by **ALF** » Fri Jun 26, 2020 3:49 pm

Don Sholeone wrote: ↑
Fri Jun 26, 2020 3:33 pm
Defensively I'd put Wan Bissaka well ahead of Trent, hes just not as good attacking.

Yeah he's miles better defensively, Trent is not a good defender at all.

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