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Re: Match day thread - Bournemouth v NUFC

by bodacious benny » Fri Jul 03, 2020 2:15 pm

When I say he's struggled to do the simple things well when played as a striker I was meaning in the box, his hold up play and strength further up the pitch has been good but in terms of getting in to decent positions in the box, and the standard of his finishing / final ball hasn't been great.

Re: Match day thread - Bournemouth v NUFC

by Remember Colo » Fri Jul 03, 2020 2:03 pm

Colly wrote: ↑
Fri Jul 03, 2020 12:37 pm
Bodacious Benny wrote: ↑
Fri Jul 03, 2020 8:42 am

Oh yeah he didn't create much or anything, just looked tidy and did the simple things well (which is something that he doesn't do when players as a striker).
I think that's harsh, he's always been able to do that. Sadly he's always struggled to do more, hopefully he'll keep improving but he needs to be higher up than he was against Bournemouth to play that position.
Agreed. I think he's always put in a lot of effort, and been decent enough with hold-up play and passing through the midfield, but he's struggled to get in the right attacking positions or get on the end of what few chances we'd create. So I think as a side we've looked much more threatening in the 4-4-2 recently deployed, and it's more flattering to him, but only because it's led to other players being more involved in the final third and taking a lot of the pressure (and blame) off of him.

Re: Match day thread - Bournemouth v NUFC

by Colly » Fri Jul 03, 2020 12:37 pm

Bodacious Benny wrote: ↑
Fri Jul 03, 2020 8:42 am
Colly wrote: ↑
Fri Jul 03, 2020 8:02 am
 I thought he looked better in the previous games. He didn't do an awful lot wrong against Bournemouth, but he wasnt overly involved especially going forward. As part of the front 3/4 you barely saw him in the area while ASM was creating goals.
Oh yeah he didn't create much or anything, just looked tidy and did the simple things well (which is something that he doesn't do when players as a striker).
I think that's harsh, he's always been able to do that. Sadly he's always struggled to do more, hopefully he'll keep improving but he needs to be higher up than he was against Bournemouth to play that position.

Re: Match day thread - Bournemouth v NUFC

by bodacious benny » Fri Jul 03, 2020 8:42 am

Colly wrote: ↑
Fri Jul 03, 2020 8:02 am
 I thought he looked better in the previous games. He didn't do an awful lot wrong against Bournemouth, but he wasnt overly involved especially going forward. As part of the front 3/4 you barely saw him in the area while ASM was creating goals.
Oh yeah he didn't create much or anything, just looked tidy and did the simple things well (which is something that he doesn't do when players as a striker).

Re: Match day thread - Bournemouth v NUFC

by Colly » Fri Jul 03, 2020 8:02 am

I thought he looked better in the previous games. He didn't do an awful lot wrong against Bournemouth, but he wasnt overly involved especially going forward. As part of the front 3/4 you barely saw him in the area while ASM was creating goals.

Re: Match day thread - Bournemouth v NUFC

by bodacious benny » Fri Jul 03, 2020 8:00 am

Anyone else think Joelinton looked far more comfortable v Bournemouth than we’ve seen him before. I thought he played pretty well out wide and as he played there in Germany seemed a lot happier.

Re: Match day thread - Bournemouth v NUFC

by beatski » Thu Jul 02, 2020 8:54 pm

Yeah we've needed a better midfield and better full backs for ages now. Hopefully we address both this summer window.

Re: Match day thread - Bournemouth v NUFC

by Remember Colo » Thu Jul 02, 2020 7:07 pm

CIH wrote: ↑
Thu Jul 02, 2020 6:20 pm
Remember Colo wrote: ↑
Thu Jul 02, 2020 5:45 pm
I've relatively speaking been a defender of his, but I'll also say CM has been the biggest area of need for years now. It's such an important area of the pitch when it comes to controlling and influencing play, and we haven't had seriously influential CMs since Cabaye and Tiote.
Agree with that on the Cabaye/Tiote partnership. As well as this, with the exception of six months of Willems, we've not really had a decent left back since Enrique.
Completely agree with that too. Dummett was a safe pair of hands that rarely screwed up, but Willems highlighted how much a skilled fullback can offer to attack. And a team like ours that has been missing high scoring players that can lift a game on their own needed as many minor threats as possible.

Re: Match day thread - Bournemouth v NUFC

by Don Sholeone » Thu Jul 02, 2020 6:42 pm

Remember Colo wrote: ↑
Thu Jul 02, 2020 5:45 pm
Don Sholeone wrote: ↑
Thu Jul 02, 2020 5:40 pm
 Shelvey has been a necessary (dr.)evil for us over the past few years, he's far too self centred on the pitch to play for a top 6 club. When he has a good game he can be a game changer, but when he doesn't he's a complete liability. I hate how every ball has to be a hollywood ball from him. If this takeover goes through before he retires then he has to be the first one out the door if we are seriously going to push on.
I've relatively speaking been a defender of his, but I'll also say CM has been the biggest area of need for years now. It's such an important area of the pitch when it comes to controlling and influencing play, and we haven't had seriously influential CMs since Cabaye and Tiote.
I think he's found his level with us, but moving forward we definitely need a much better and more consistent midfield. Think Shelvey is forgiven more because when he's on his game he helps us massively, so although he's so frustrating at times we definitely need him at this moment in time.

Re: Match day thread - Bournemouth v NUFC

by Valentino's fast feet » Thu Jul 02, 2020 6:20 pm

Remember Colo wrote: ↑
Thu Jul 02, 2020 5:45 pm
Don Sholeone wrote: ↑
Thu Jul 02, 2020 5:40 pm
 Shelvey has been a necessary (dr.)evil for us over the past few years, he's far too self centred on the pitch to play for a top 6 club. When he has a good game he can be a game changer, but when he doesn't he's a complete liability. I hate how every ball has to be a hollywood ball from him. If this takeover goes through before he retires then he has to be the first one out the door if we are seriously going to push on.
I've relatively speaking been a defender of his, but I'll also say CM has been the biggest area of need for years now. It's such an important area of the pitch when it comes to controlling and influencing play, and we haven't had seriously influential CMs since Cabaye and Tiote.
Agree with that on the Cabaye/Tiote partnership. As well as this, with the exception of six months of Willems, we've not really had a decent left back since Enrique.

Re: Match day thread - Bournemouth v NUFC

by Remember Colo » Thu Jul 02, 2020 5:45 pm

Don Sholeone wrote: ↑
Thu Jul 02, 2020 5:40 pm
 Shelvey has been a necessary (dr.)evil for us over the past few years, he's far too self centred on the pitch to play for a top 6 club. When he has a good game he can be a game changer, but when he doesn't he's a complete liability. I hate how every ball has to be a hollywood ball from him. If this takeover goes through before he retires then he has to be the first one out the door if we are seriously going to push on.
I've relatively speaking been a defender of his, but I'll also say CM has been the biggest area of need for years now. It's such an important area of the pitch when it comes to controlling and influencing play, and we haven't had seriously influential CMs since Cabaye and Tiote.

Re: Match day thread - Bournemouth v NUFC

by Don Sholeone » Thu Jul 02, 2020 5:40 pm

Shelvey has been a necessary (dr.)evil for us over the past few years, he's far too self centred on the pitch to play for a top 6 club. When he has a good game he can be a game changer, but when he doesn't he's a complete liability. I hate how every ball has to be a hollywood ball from him. If this takeover goes through before he retires then he has to be the first one out the door if we are seriously going to push on.

Re: Match day thread - Bournemouth v NUFC

by Colly » Thu Jul 02, 2020 5:38 pm

Yeah, Carroll's shot should have been the cherry on top on Hayden's icing.

Or something.

Re: Match day thread - Bournemouth v NUFC

by krully » Thu Jul 02, 2020 5:16 pm

Remember Colo wrote: ↑
Thu Jul 02, 2020 1:38 pm
krully wrote: ↑
Thu Jul 02, 2020 12:41 pm
 Have to say, that is probably the first game in maybe two years where we comfortably dominated from th get go. Very impressed with bentaleb, only one to get me to roll my eyes was shelvey but he did get the assist for Lazaro who has a cracker of a shot in him.
I actually thought Shelvey pinged a lot of good passes around for most of the game, and played an important role when we were dominating play in the middle third of the match. Though I'd agree with some of the criticism people gave him later in the match as he moved farther forward (though it was a perfectly placed and timed assist.
yeah, it was only a minor knitpick on my part, he was well out of gas 60 minutes into the game. That and Hayden's miss <laugh>

Re: Match day thread - Bournemouth v NUFC

by bodacious benny » Thu Jul 02, 2020 1:59 pm

Shame that the shot Carroll caught well at the end didn't fly in, would have been the icing on the cake.

Re: Match day thread - Bournemouth v NUFC

by Remember Colo » Thu Jul 02, 2020 1:38 pm

krully wrote: ↑
Thu Jul 02, 2020 12:41 pm
 Have to say, that is probably the first game in maybe two years where we comfortably dominated from th get go. Very impressed with bentaleb, only one to get me to roll my eyes was shelvey but he did get the assist for Lazaro who has a cracker of a shot in him.
I actually thought Shelvey pinged a lot of good passes around for most of the game, and played an important role when we were dominating play in the middle third of the match. Though I'd agree with some of the criticism people gave him later in the match as he moved farther forward (though it was a perfectly placed and timed assist.

Re: Match day thread - Bournemouth v NUFC

by Remember Colo » Thu Jul 02, 2020 1:36 pm

Don Sholeone wrote: ↑
Thu Jul 02, 2020 11:54 am
 We seem to be playing with so much confidence at the moment. I dont really want to bring Rafa up but I think it's a good comparison atm, i don't see us playing like we did yesterday under Rafa, we would have probably tried to see out a 2-0. I think Bruce gives the players more confidence and belief compared to Rafa.
At times yesterday I saw about 4/5 players pressing Bournemouth defenders in line with their own box and soon as I saw that I had no doubts about the result, it did remind me of what city did to us in the first half of the cup, although not as intense and effectively. Also the fact this was away from home too was even more impressive. Bruce had us playing some really nice football yesterday, hopefully it continues.
Also agree. Problem with Rafa (and maybe it was the players we had then too), but we played so conservatively in almost every match, that the players didn't seem to know what to do in ones against lesser opposition or when they had more of the ball. At least with Bruce it has seemed they can switch more effectively between different tactics and turn in performances like this and the Sheffield win.

Re: Match day thread - Bournemouth v NUFC

by bodacious benny » Thu Jul 02, 2020 12:56 pm

Early goal was key yesterday, they looked beaten as soon as that went in and we took full advantage.

Re: Match day thread - Bournemouth v NUFC

by krully » Thu Jul 02, 2020 12:41 pm

Have to say, that is probably the first game in maybe two years where we comfortably dominated from th get go. Very impressed with bentaleb, only one to get me to roll my eyes was shelvey but he did get the assist for Lazaro who has a cracker of a shot in him.

Re: Match day thread - Bournemouth v NUFC

by biggeordiedave » Thu Jul 02, 2020 12:00 pm

Don Sholeone wrote: ↑
Thu Jul 02, 2020 11:54 am
 We seem to be playing with so much confidence at the moment. I dont really want to bring Rafa up but I think it's a good comparison atm, i don't see us playing like we did yesterday under Rafa, we would have probably tried to see out a 2-0. I think Bruce gives the players more confidence and belief compared to Rafa.
At times yesterday I saw about 4/5 players pressing Bournemouth defenders in line with their own box and soon as I saw that I had no doubts about the result, it did remind me of what city did to us in the first half of the cup, although not as intense and effectively. Also the fact this was away from home too was even more impressive. Bruce had us playing some really nice football yesterday, hopefully it continues.
Totally agree. Under Rafa, we would have gone into the second half in ultra-defensive mode and maybe occasionally tried to hit them on the break. This is why I have a lot of respect for managers like Brendan Rodgers. If he senses there is an opportunity to score a lot of goals, he will take it. If he sees that he needs to play a defensive game and protect a 1-0 lead then he'll do it, but it's not his default position.

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