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Re: Newcastle v Liverpool

by Colly » Mon Jul 27, 2020 10:29 am

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Re: Newcastle v Liverpool

by Cal » Mon Jul 27, 2020 10:24 am

Colly wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 27, 2020 10:11 am
 Have I ever mentioned how much I hate xG? If not just pretend I've made a four paragraph great point about it because I'm sick of bloody talking about it. I'm an analyst by trade so in theory I should love the statification of football, but sentences like this make me f***ing vomit:

"Mo Salah led the Premier League last season for combined xG output following a progressive carry."
Great point <gent>

Re: Newcastle v Liverpool

by bodacious benny » Mon Jul 27, 2020 10:19 am

Yeah I think xG is utter bollocks, but I still think it wasn't 'luck' that got us those 10 points for example.

Re: Newcastle v Liverpool

by Colly » Mon Jul 27, 2020 10:11 am

Have I ever mentioned how much I hate xG? If not just pretend I've made a four paragraph great point about it because I'm sick of bloody talking about it. I'm an analyst by trade so in theory I should love the statification of football, but sentences like this make me f***ing vomit:

"Mo Salah led the Premier League last season for combined xG output following a progressive carry."

Re: Newcastle v Liverpool

by Cal » Mon Jul 27, 2020 9:45 am

We don't exactly do well in the attempts at measuring this "objectively" through expected goals for, expected goals against, and expected points.

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https://understat.com/league/EPL

Expected goals is fairly accurate to our goals scored - unfortunately that being we've had the second least amount of high quality chances created. Watford and Norwich in particular spurned a lot of what should have been high conversion rate chances.

I guess we have parallels with Sheffield United over the whole goalkeeper being made to make far more saves than they'd like to, but thriving in doing so and preventing what would be expected goals and salvaging points. This is presumably what's helped to nick a lot of those "lucky" wins.

The only team to outperform the expected points metric more than us is Liverpool. <awe>

Re: Newcastle v Liverpool

by bodacious benny » Mon Jul 27, 2020 8:51 am

Colly wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 27, 2020 8:01 am
krully wrote: ↑
Sun Jul 26, 2020 11:51 pm
Lucky results against spurs, man utd, Everton, Chelsea. That's 10 points there.
I'd argue we were unlucky in the other Spurs game, we were the better side but just couldn't finish our chances. That's football.
Agreed, and I’m sure there were games we drew/lost where we missed easy chances - doesn’t mean that the other team were lucky to come away with the points.

Re: Newcastle v Liverpool

by Colly » Mon Jul 27, 2020 8:01 am

krully wrote: ↑
Sun Jul 26, 2020 11:51 pm
Bodacious Benny wrote: ↑
Sun Jul 26, 2020 8:23 pm

It’s not luck, it’s that about a third of the teams in the PL are actually dross and nothing special.
Lucky results against spurs, man utd, Everton, Chelsea. That's 10 points there.
I'd argue we were unlucky in the other Spurs game, we were the better side but just couldn't finish our chances. That's football.

Re: Newcastle v Liverpool

by Sir Bobby » Mon Jul 27, 2020 1:17 am

I’m glad luck managed to put the ball in the opposition’s goal so many times. Should sign him up long-term.

Re: Newcastle v Liverpool

by krully » Sun Jul 26, 2020 11:51 pm

Bodacious Benny wrote: ↑
Sun Jul 26, 2020 8:23 pm
krully wrote: ↑
Sun Jul 26, 2020 7:19 pm

We were substandard throughout the whole of the league. How we finished where we did is beyond me, extremely lucky.
It’s not luck, it’s that about a third of the teams in the PL are actually dross and nothing special.
Lucky results against spurs, man utd, Everton, Chelsea. That's 10 points there.

Re: Newcastle v Liverpool

by bodacious benny » Sun Jul 26, 2020 10:36 pm

Villa are proof that you don’t have to be very good to stay up.

Re: Newcastle v Liverpool

by seaside nipper » Sun Jul 26, 2020 9:03 pm

Don Sholeone wrote: ↑
Sun Jul 26, 2020 5:20 pm
 I'm happy with the season overall but I cannot let it slide when we down tools in matches like today when i see players putting in zero effort.
One point out of fifteen .... some end to the season. Folk should remember this when we look towards next season. The utterly lamentable end to the season is on Bruce. Dire stuff, rotten underwhelming season. More of the same with a greater threat of relegation next season unless there are significant changes. <awe>

Re: Newcastle v Liverpool

by bodacious benny » Sun Jul 26, 2020 8:23 pm

krully wrote: ↑
Sun Jul 26, 2020 7:19 pm
Don Sholeone wrote: ↑
Sun Jul 26, 2020 5:20 pm
 I'm happy with the season overall but I cannot let it slide when we down tools in matches like today when i see players putting in zero effort.
We were substandard throughout the whole of the league. How we finished where we did is beyond me, extremely lucky.
It’s not luck, it’s that about a third of the teams in the PL are actually dross and nothing special.

Re: Newcastle v Liverpool

by krully » Sun Jul 26, 2020 7:19 pm

Don Sholeone wrote: ↑
Sun Jul 26, 2020 5:20 pm
 I'm happy with the season overall but I cannot let it slide when we down tools in matches like today when i see players putting in zero effort.
We were substandard throughout the whole of the league. How we finished where we did is beyond me, extremely lucky.

Re: Newcastle v Liverpool

by ALF » Sun Jul 26, 2020 5:25 pm

Downed tools as soon as we were mathematically safe. Awful end to the season.

Re: Newcastle v Liverpool

by Don Sholeone » Sun Jul 26, 2020 5:24 pm

Probably nothing but BT reporting they have unable to get a post match interview with Bruce due to him currently being in a call with Ashley, people saying its a routine post season call but seems a weird time to do it considering theres still the post match commitments to go through.

Re: Newcastle v Liverpool

by Don Sholeone » Sun Jul 26, 2020 5:20 pm

I'm happy with the season overall but I cannot let it slide when we down tools in matches like today when i see players putting in zero effort.

Re: Newcastle v Liverpool

by Toondes » Sun Jul 26, 2020 5:10 pm

The Deluded Pablo Diego Jose Francisco wrote: ↑
Sun Jul 26, 2020 4:50 pm
Don Sholeone wrote: ↑
Sun Jul 26, 2020 4:48 pm
 Absolute garbage, the whole team turn into a bunch of pussies whenever they come up against decent players or teams. They are s*** scared of attacking, like what the actual ****, the attitude is basically, we don't want to try to score a goal just in case it goes wrong and they get to attack, what's the actual point? I'd imagine if we weren't punished for forfeiting the game we would do it against the likes of liverpool and man city, literally zero intention of doing anything but going through the motions for 90 minutes. The attitude absolutely stinks.


Yep and it's going to continue next season as well
Yep but Bruce has done a fantastic job remember . Did he finish with less points than Rafa , can’t even be bothered to check . More of the same next season. If he’s still
Manager next season I’m done.

Re: Newcastle v Liverpool

by bodacious benny » Sun Jul 26, 2020 5:07 pm

Glad I didn’t bother watching <ok>

Re: Newcastle v Liverpool

by The Deluded Pablo Diego Jose Francisco » Sun Jul 26, 2020 4:54 pm

overseasTOON wrote: ↑
Sun Jul 26, 2020 4:53 pm
 Woohoo. Season is over and now we can plan for the next one.
<laugh> <laugh>

Re: Newcastle v Liverpool

by overseasTOON » Sun Jul 26, 2020 4:53 pm

Woohoo. Season is over and now we can plan for the next one.

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