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Re: Premier League going Pay-Per-View, £15/game

by biggeordiedave » Tue Oct 13, 2020 7:21 pm

Remember Colo wrote:
Tue Oct 13, 2020 6:50 pm
biggeordiedave wrote:
Tue Oct 13, 2020 11:39 am
The NFL have totally different blackout rules too which made for quite interesting reading. Whereas our blackout is 2:45 - 5:15 on a Saturday, their rules are that broadcasters cannot broadcast home matches within 75 miles of the home stadium, unless something like 85% of the tickets are sold within 72 hours of the game. If it is mostly sold, the broadcasters themselves just buy the rest of the tickets and give them away. Teams can also close of sections of their stadium, but then they are unable to sell tickets in those sections for the rest of the season.
And interestingly baseball and hockey have even different blackout rules from them. For hockey (in Canada), regional broadcasts are available locally, but not elsewhere in the country (even though I'll have that regional channel) because one broadcaster has the national broadcast rights, then the other networks bought up regional broadcasts. Likewise for baseball, I have mlb.tv that gives me access to every game live and on-demand, except Toronto, because their cable national broadcast rights are owned by the team owner and only allows me to watch them on cable. All that to say, the NFL blackouts are to protect ticket sales, while other leagues protect their cable contracts. The Premier League tries to protect both, while also theoretically protect lower league ticket sales too.
That makes ours sound good to be fair.

Re: Premier League going Pay-Per-View, £15/game

by Remember Colo » Tue Oct 13, 2020 6:50 pm

biggeordiedave wrote:
Tue Oct 13, 2020 11:39 am
The NFL have totally different blackout rules too which made for quite interesting reading. Whereas our blackout is 2:45 - 5:15 on a Saturday, their rules are that broadcasters cannot broadcast home matches within 75 miles of the home stadium, unless something like 85% of the tickets are sold within 72 hours of the game. If it is mostly sold, the broadcasters themselves just buy the rest of the tickets and give them away. Teams can also close of sections of their stadium, but then they are unable to sell tickets in those sections for the rest of the season.
And interestingly baseball and hockey have even different blackout rules from them. For hockey (in Canada), regional broadcasts are available locally, but not elsewhere in the country (even though I'll have that regional channel) because one broadcaster has the national broadcast rights, then the other networks bought up regional broadcasts. Likewise for baseball, I have mlb.tv that gives me access to every game live and on-demand, except Toronto, because their cable national broadcast rights are owned by the team owner and only allows me to watch them on cable. All that to say, the NFL blackouts are to protect ticket sales, while other leagues protect their cable contracts. The Premier League tries to protect both, while also theoretically protect lower league ticket sales too.

Re: Premier League going Pay-Per-View, £15/game

by biggeordiedave » Tue Oct 13, 2020 11:39 am

The NFL have totally different blackout rules too which made for quite interesting reading. Whereas our blackout is 2:45 - 5:15 on a Saturday, their rules are that broadcasters cannot broadcast home matches within 75 miles of the home stadium, unless something like 85% of the tickets are sold within 72 hours of the game. If it is mostly sold, the broadcasters themselves just buy the rest of the tickets and give them away. Teams can also close of sections of their stadium, but then they are unable to sell tickets in those sections for the rest of the season.

Re: Premier League going Pay-Per-View, £15/game

by bodacious benny » Tue Oct 13, 2020 10:18 am

biggeordiedave wrote:
Tue Oct 13, 2020 9:57 am
Bodacious Benny wrote:
Tue Oct 13, 2020 9:37 am
Yeah I've always found it weird. My mate lives in Australia and can watch pretty much any PL game and he pays something like £10 a month. Should be the other way round where we get it cheap as it's 'our product' if you like, and other countries should pay more. Just like if you live in Spain you should get cheap La Liga coverage whereas we should have to pay more etc.
It's simply due to demand. They know that in the UK we want PL football and (most) are willing to pay for it, despite the fact that the coverage is limited to certain matches. They also want to give us a reason to actually go to the games in person too. In other countries where demand is lower, it would be easy to price people out of it. If I could get every La Liga match for £10 a month, I might be tempted. If it was £50 a month I wouldn't bother.

It's similar with the NFL pass I believe (someone correct me if I'm making this up!) In the UK you pay £107.99 for the season and get access to all live matches, playoffs, Superbowl etc. In the US, you can pay $99 for the pass, but you can only watch the games after they've finished on live TV. To get access to the matches live, you'd need to pay for a cable subscription.
Yeah true. I think Premier Sports which now has the La Liga rights is £9.99 a month on Sky/Virgin/Online viewing or an annual pass is £99.

Edit: just had a look and 'Premier Player' so all 4 channels online only is £99 a year, if you want it on Sky/Virgin it's £9.99 a month.

Re: Premier League going Pay-Per-View, £15/game

by biggeordiedave » Tue Oct 13, 2020 9:57 am

Bodacious Benny wrote:
Tue Oct 13, 2020 9:37 am
Yeah I've always found it weird. My mate lives in Australia and can watch pretty much any PL game and he pays something like £10 a month. Should be the other way round where we get it cheap as it's 'our product' if you like, and other countries should pay more. Just like if you live in Spain you should get cheap La Liga coverage whereas we should have to pay more etc.
It's simply due to demand. They know that in the UK we want PL football and (most) are willing to pay for it, despite the fact that the coverage is limited to certain matches. They also want to give us a reason to actually go to the games in person too. In other countries where demand is lower, it would be easy to price people out of it. If I could get every La Liga match for £10 a month, I might be tempted. If it was £50 a month I wouldn't bother.

It's similar with the NFL pass I believe (someone correct me if I'm making this up!) In the UK you pay £107.99 for the season and get access to all live matches, playoffs, Superbowl etc. In the US, you can pay $99 for the pass, but you can only watch the games after they've finished on live TV. To get access to the matches live, you'd need to pay for a cable subscription.

Re: Premier League going Pay-Per-View, £15/game

by bodacious benny » Tue Oct 13, 2020 9:37 am

Yeah I've always found it weird. My mate lives in Australia and can watch pretty much any PL game and he pays something like £10 a month. Should be the other way round where we get it cheap as it's 'our product' if you like, and other countries should pay more. Just like if you live in Spain you should get cheap La Liga coverage whereas we should have to pay more etc.

Re: Premier League going Pay-Per-View, £15/game

by Remember Colo » Tue Oct 13, 2020 4:25 am

biggeordiedave wrote:
Mon Oct 12, 2020 9:49 am
Remember Colo wrote:
Sun Oct 11, 2020 8:43 pm
Ha! I pay $150 CAD a year for DAZN, which gives me access to every PL, cup, Champions League, Europa League, Serie A, Belgian league, and MLS match, not to mention every NFL game, boxing matches, Bellator, etc. That PPV price is insane and clearly out of line with the prices being charged by international broadcast partners.
Look at me! Look at me!

<wenger>
Point is, y'all are getting screwed and the Premier League really needs some better domestic good will right now, and this is just another bad headline.

Re: Premier League going Pay-Per-View, £15/game

by biggeordiedave » Mon Oct 12, 2020 9:49 am

Remember Colo wrote:
Sun Oct 11, 2020 8:43 pm
Ha! I pay $150 CAD a year for DAZN, which gives me access to every PL, cup, Champions League, Europa League, Serie A, Belgian league, and MLS match, not to mention every NFL game, boxing matches, Bellator, etc. That PPV price is insane and clearly out of line with the prices being charged by international broadcast partners.
Look at me! Look at me!

<wenger>

Re: Premier League going Pay-Per-View, £15/game

by Remember Colo » Sun Oct 11, 2020 8:43 pm

Ha! I pay $150 CAD a year for DAZN, which gives me access to every PL, cup, Champions League, Europa League, Serie A, Belgian league, and MLS match, not to mention every NFL game, boxing matches, Bellator, etc. That PPV price is insane and clearly out of line with the prices being charged by international broadcast partners.

Re: Premier League going Pay-Per-View, £15/game

by Scalabrine » Sat Oct 10, 2020 7:33 pm

Cal wrote:
Fri Oct 09, 2020 2:55 pm
So even in the "best" case there, that's £285 to see the otherwise untelevised games - about 30 hours of football - and of course that's ignoring your Sky Sports, BT Sport, Amazon Prime subscriptions... I wonder why people do this whole pirate streaming thing <scratch>
Yeah, I agree. <ok>

In Spain probably we had the best sports piracy streaming website in the world, Rojadirecta, but a judge closed it a few years ago. Many people used it.

Re: Premier League going Pay-Per-View, £15/game

by Sir Bobby » Fri Oct 09, 2020 10:32 pm

Bodacious Benny wrote:
Fri Oct 09, 2020 10:26 pm
Has season ticket money gone out? Given clubs don’t have a clue what’s happening I’d have thought they haven’t sorted season tickets for this year yet. But I’m not a ST holder so could be wrong.
Believe Ashley took payments like usual. I’d assume it would be refunded at the end of the season but until then you’re still out of pocket.

Re: Premier League going Pay-Per-View, £15/game

by Colly » Fri Oct 09, 2020 10:32 pm

I believe the club isn't selling new ones, but I've been paying for this season since March. Am I balls paying £15 for one game on the telly.

Re: Premier League going Pay-Per-View, £15/game

by bodacious benny » Fri Oct 09, 2020 10:26 pm

Has season ticket money gone out? Given clubs don’t have a clue what’s happening I’d have thought they haven’t sorted season tickets for this year yet. But I’m not a ST holder so could be wrong.

Re: Premier League going Pay-Per-View, £15/game

by Sir Bobby » Fri Oct 09, 2020 9:28 pm

So currently some Newcastle fans might be paying circa £60 to watch a game on TV? £25 season ticket price per game + £20 for sky sports + £15 for PPV. Insanity

Re: Premier League going Pay-Per-View, £15/game

by Valentino's fast feet » Fri Oct 09, 2020 6:24 pm

Don Sholeone wrote:
Fri Oct 09, 2020 6:10 pm
The cynical side of me thinks this is a way to test the waters with regards to clubs selling their own TV rights, something the top clubs have been chasing for years. No wonder Masters and Co were hand picked by the top 6.
I was at a sports law lecture nearly ten years ago that said that this would be the eventual future. Called it the nuclear option.

Re: Premier League going Pay-Per-View, £15/game

by Don Sholeone » Fri Oct 09, 2020 6:10 pm

The cynical side of me thinks this is a way to test the waters with regards to clubs selling their own TV rights, something the top clubs have been chasing for years. No wonder Masters and Co were hand picked by the top 6.

Re: Premier League going Pay-Per-View, £15/game

by Valentino's fast feet » Fri Oct 09, 2020 5:00 pm

While I fully disagree with the entire thing, I think one aspect that is going vastly unreported is that this is meant as an interim "solution" for the next few weeks. To word that differently, I would say it's a pilot program to see if they can get away with it. Based on the overwhelming backlash, I expect by the end of October they will have a completely different idea in place. Likely with the PR machine in overdrive.

Re: Premier League going Pay-Per-View, £15/game

by TJR » Fri Oct 09, 2020 4:57 pm

This will be the death of Sky & BT. Everybody will turn to IPTV for those games and soon realise it's pointless forking out for even the standard Sky & BT packages. Shot themselves in the foot here out of pure greed.

Re: Premier League going Pay-Per-View, £15/game

by Donkey Toon » Fri Oct 09, 2020 4:43 pm

Yeah that's not happening, not at that price!

Re: Premier League going Pay-Per-View, £15/game

by ALF » Fri Oct 09, 2020 3:55 pm

This is the most out of touch move I've seen in a long time. People are struggling all over the country, I've just seen something that said £1.2b was spent in the transfer window with a further £200m paid to agents.

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