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Re: Match Thread - Newcastle v Fulham

by originallad » Wed Dec 23, 2020 11:39 pm

Don Sholeone wrote: ↑
Wed Dec 23, 2020 11:10 pm
UlversToon wrote: ↑
Wed Dec 23, 2020 7:59 pm
 From NUFC.com:-

Fulhams' appeal against the dismissal of Joachim Andersen during Saturday's 1-1 draw at SJP was successful - and the Danish defender won't now serve a one match ban.

By implication, that discredits the VAR system that was ultimately used to decide Andersen's guilt - and award Newcastle the penalty from which they salvaged a point. Who says we're always unlucky?
Yeah thats bollocks, the ref blew for a pen, VAR advised him to look on the screen and he decided he couldn't overturn based on what he could see, so to say VAR decided is a bit ridiculous.
If anything, it backs up VAR.

Re: Match Thread - Newcastle v Fulham

by Don Sholeone » Wed Dec 23, 2020 11:10 pm

UlversToon wrote: ↑
Wed Dec 23, 2020 7:59 pm
 From NUFC.com:-

Fulhams' appeal against the dismissal of Joachim Andersen during Saturday's 1-1 draw at SJP was successful - and the Danish defender won't now serve a one match ban.

By implication, that discredits the VAR system that was ultimately used to decide Andersen's guilt - and award Newcastle the penalty from which they salvaged a point. Who says we're always unlucky?
Yeah thats bollocks, the ref blew for a pen, VAR advised him to look on the screen and he decided he couldn't overturn based on what he could see, so to say VAR decided is a bit ridiculous.

Re: Match Thread - Newcastle v Fulham

by bodacious benny » Wed Dec 23, 2020 8:37 pm

VAR should have told the ref that it was a shirt pull outside the box and to award a FK, and give Andersen a second yellow.

Re: Match Thread - Newcastle v Fulham

by UlversToon » Wed Dec 23, 2020 7:59 pm

From NUFC.com:-

Fulhams' appeal against the dismissal of Joachim Andersen during Saturday's 1-1 draw at SJP was successful - and the Danish defender won't now serve a one match ban.

By implication, that discredits the VAR system that was ultimately used to decide Andersen's guilt - and award Newcastle the penalty from which they salvaged a point. Who says we're always unlucky?

Re: Match Thread - Newcastle v Fulham

by bodacious benny » Mon Dec 21, 2020 1:21 pm

Only just seen the penalty.

Not a penalty, but 100% a second yellow for the Fulham defender for the shirt pull outside the box.

Re: Match Thread - Newcastle v Fulham

by UlversToon » Mon Dec 21, 2020 8:57 am

Kinnear was pretty poor but at least his press conferences were interesting!

Re: Match Thread - Newcastle v Fulham

by Colly » Sun Dec 20, 2020 9:03 pm

originallad wrote: ↑
Sun Dec 20, 2020 6:42 pm
ALF wrote: ↑
Sun Dec 20, 2020 6:35 pm

McClaren was better than Bruce, at least we had some possession.
<laugh> McLaren was truly awful and basically got us relegated! We had a decent squad with some quality players like Sissoko and Wijnaldum and he turned them into s***. The worst manager we've had in my lifetime. Carver a close second.
I'd only have Carver second based on the fact he wasn't even a manager. Absolutely ridiculous how badly we collapsed when he took charge. But both far worse than Bruce.

Re: Match Thread - Newcastle v Fulham

by Toondes » Sun Dec 20, 2020 8:19 pm

It’s like a who’s who of s*** managers

Re: Match Thread - Newcastle v Fulham

by originallad » Sun Dec 20, 2020 6:42 pm

ALF wrote: ↑
Sun Dec 20, 2020 6:35 pm
originallad wrote: ↑
Sun Dec 20, 2020 6:31 pm
 **** Carver, at least it's not that bad. McLaren too.
McClaren was better than Bruce, at least we had some possession.
<laugh> McLaren was truly awful and basically got us relegated! We had a decent squad with some quality players like Sissoko and Wijnaldum and he turned them into s***. The worst manager we've had in my lifetime. Carver a close second.

Re: Match Thread - Newcastle v Fulham

by ALF » Sun Dec 20, 2020 6:35 pm

originallad wrote: ↑
Sun Dec 20, 2020 6:31 pm
 f*** Carver, at least it's not that bad. McLaren too.
McClaren was better than Bruce, at least we had some possession.

Re: Match Thread - Newcastle v Fulham

by originallad » Sun Dec 20, 2020 6:31 pm

f*** Carver, at least it's not that bad. McLaren too.

Re: Match Thread - Newcastle v Fulham

by bodacious benny » Sun Dec 20, 2020 6:24 pm

I’d definitely keep Bruce over Carver!

Re: Match Thread - Newcastle v Fulham

by Toondes » Sun Dec 20, 2020 6:05 pm

ALF wrote: ↑
Sun Dec 20, 2020 11:28 am
Speedo wrote: ↑
Sun Dec 20, 2020 10:23 am
 Lads I dreamt last night we fired Bruce and hired John Carver back instead... woke up in cold sweats. This can get a whole lot worse still
I'd take that.
Same. I’d take anyone over Bruce right now

Re: Match Thread - Newcastle v Fulham

by Don Sholeone » Sun Dec 20, 2020 5:23 pm

Colly wrote: ↑
Sun Dec 20, 2020 12:53 pm
Don Sholeone wrote: ↑
Sun Dec 20, 2020 11:28 am
 I didnt think the penalty was harsh, Anderson was just dumb, he was clearly trying to bring Wilson down and had 3 goes at doing so, pulled him back twice then clipped his foot. Already on a yellow too so the red was fully deserved. Yes Wilson went down very easy on the last one but Anderson gave him the opportunity on a plate, if advantage wasn't played then the first 2 pull backs were free kicks anyways. It was smart play by Wilson in the end.
I only think it's harsh in the sense I just don't think there's a foul in the box. It's without question a red (whether straight or second yellow) and a free kick, the only argument is whether the foul "continues" into the area and I really don't think "there might be incidental contact with his foot" counts as a continuation of what was previously a shirt pull.
See id argue that it was a continuation of the foul, there was no attempt for the ball during the whole phase. There is contact that continues into the box so I think that wipes out any question of contact being incidental. Andersens intent through the whole thing was to impede Wilson.

Re: Match Thread - Newcastle v Fulham

by Donkey Toon » Sun Dec 20, 2020 1:03 pm

Colly wrote: ↑
Sun Dec 20, 2020 12:53 pm
Don Sholeone wrote: ↑
Sun Dec 20, 2020 11:28 am
 I didnt think the penalty was harsh, Anderson was just dumb, he was clearly trying to bring Wilson down and had 3 goes at doing so, pulled him back twice then clipped his foot. Already on a yellow too so the red was fully deserved. Yes Wilson went down very easy on the last one but Anderson gave him the opportunity on a plate, if advantage wasn't played then the first 2 pull backs were free kicks anyways. It was smart play by Wilson in the end.
I only think it's harsh in the sense I just don't think there's a foul in the box. It's without question a red (whether straight or second yellow) and a free kick, the only argument is whether the foul "continues" into the area and I really don't think "there might be incidental contact with his foot" counts as a continuation of what was previously a shirt pull.
Agree. Except I will go further re the inside the box side of the incident. It was a dive. The foul (shirt pull) was committed outside the box but not sufficient to bring him down. What induced him to dive I haven't a clue but it was a clear dive. I didn't even need to see the numerous replays to conclude that but confirm it they did. Fulham woz robbed.

Re: Match Thread - Newcastle v Fulham

by Colly » Sun Dec 20, 2020 12:53 pm

Don Sholeone wrote: ↑
Sun Dec 20, 2020 11:28 am
 I didnt think the penalty was harsh, Anderson was just dumb, he was clearly trying to bring Wilson down and had 3 goes at doing so, pulled him back twice then clipped his foot. Already on a yellow too so the red was fully deserved. Yes Wilson went down very easy on the last one but Anderson gave him the opportunity on a plate, if advantage wasn't played then the first 2 pull backs were free kicks anyways. It was smart play by Wilson in the end.
I only think it's harsh in the sense I just don't think there's a foul in the box. It's without question a red (whether straight or second yellow) and a free kick, the only argument is whether the foul "continues" into the area and I really don't think "there might be incidental contact with his foot" counts as a continuation of what was previously a shirt pull.

Re: Match Thread - Newcastle v Fulham

by Donkey Toon » Sun Dec 20, 2020 12:52 pm

Got comfortable on the sofa so couldn't be bothered to access my laptop and share my pearls of wisdom during the game as usual. So first chance to comment on the shitshow that was yesterday's game.

It was a shitshow and we were lucky to get a point. Wasn't a penalty, but should've been a freekick on edge of area. No issue with the red card except is should arguably have been for a second yellow rather than straight red.

Other than that agree with all the comments about lack of energy, drive, gameplan, class and talent on show. Going to be a long hard season at this rate. Can't wait for the next game <sarcasm smiley>

Re: Match Thread - Newcastle v Fulham

by ALF » Sun Dec 20, 2020 11:28 am

Speedo wrote: ↑
Sun Dec 20, 2020 10:23 am
 Lads I dreamt last night we fired Bruce and hired John Carver back instead... woke up in cold sweats. This can get a whole lot worse still
I'd take that.

Re: Match Thread - Newcastle v Fulham

by Don Sholeone » Sun Dec 20, 2020 11:28 am

I didnt think the penalty was harsh, Anderson was just dumb, he was clearly trying to bring Wilson down and had 3 goes at doing so, pulled him back twice then clipped his foot. Already on a yellow too so the red was fully deserved. Yes Wilson went down very easy on the last one but Anderson gave him the opportunity on a plate, if advantage wasn't played then the first 2 pull backs were free kicks anyways. It was smart play by Wilson in the end.

Re: Match Thread - Newcastle v Fulham

by originallad » Sun Dec 20, 2020 10:43 am

Captain Obvious wrote: ↑
Sun Dec 20, 2020 10:14 am
 Guessing ASM is one of the players with long covid. Sounds like there’s a couple of guys hit really hard - Bruce quoted as saying they walk for 30mins and are knackered. I know someone who had a reaction like this from Covid and it took them around half a year or so to feel ‘normalish’ and capable of a lengthy walk. There was a few articles on the BBC too about this. Not good news.
Not sure how accurate this is but this site still has him down as ankle injury. Could be covid on top of it though.

https://www.premierinjuries.com/injury-table.php

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