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Re: Other Clubs Summer Transfers/Rumours 22/23

by lassassinblanc » Thu Sep 08, 2022 8:31 pm

Donkey Toon wrote:
Wed Sep 07, 2022 2:32 pm
Remember Colo wrote:
Wed Sep 07, 2022 2:14 pm

Thanks for such a detailed response!

I get why given the broader visa system, but it is interesting how the points system incentivizes further inflation of transfer fees and wages - for an industry that is already running itself into the ground.
Cynic that I am i'm guessing that is because higher wages means more tax revenue for the government and therefore a plus from an immigration point of view.
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Re: Other Clubs Summer Transfers/Rumours 22/23

by Tsi » Thu Sep 08, 2022 1:25 am

Nottingham Forest make 22nd summer signing by bringing in ex-Tottenham defender Serge Aurier
Even after the window closed they're still signing players <laugh>

Re: Other Clubs Summer Transfers/Rumours 22/23

by Remember Colo » Wed Sep 07, 2022 3:54 pm

Colback's Orange Tufts wrote:
Wed Sep 07, 2022 2:49 pm
Donkey Toon wrote:
Wed Sep 07, 2022 2:32 pm


Cynic that I am i'm guessing that is because higher wages means more tax revenue for the government and therefore a plus from an immigration point of view.
You cannot assume there is sense in the UK immigration system. The point is cruelty and annoyance and nothing else
Agreed, although I do think that's the underlying justification. That the system encourages the immigration of wealthy individuals who will invest/spend domestically and won't rely on the social services the government resents offering. That it's used for footballers, all of whom make a high wage - with a salary curve well beyond societal norms makes it all rather foolish and counter-productive to the bigger financial issues facing the sport and domestic league system.

Re: Other Clubs Summer Transfers/Rumours 22/23

by Colback's Orange Tufts » Wed Sep 07, 2022 2:49 pm

Donkey Toon wrote:
Wed Sep 07, 2022 2:32 pm
Remember Colo wrote:
Wed Sep 07, 2022 2:14 pm

Thanks for such a detailed response!

I get why given the broader visa system, but it is interesting how the points system incentivizes further inflation of transfer fees and wages - for an industry that is already running itself into the ground.
Cynic that I am i'm guessing that is because higher wages means more tax revenue for the government and therefore a plus from an immigration point of view.
You cannot assume there is sense in the UK immigration system. The point is cruelty and annoyance and nothing else

Re: Other Clubs Summer Transfers/Rumours 22/23

by Donkey Toon » Wed Sep 07, 2022 2:32 pm

Remember Colo wrote:
Wed Sep 07, 2022 2:14 pm
lassassinblanc wrote:
Wed Sep 07, 2022 9:34 am


It basically works on a points system, not sure of the exact threshold needed to be granted one but let's say it's 100

You get 30 points if your nationality is in the top 30 of the FIFA Rankings (Costa has both Brazilian and Spanish nationalities so he should be passing this one) [this goes down depending on rankings so 31-80 in get 20 for example and so forth

You get extra points then on top of that based on the number of games you've played for your national team within the last few years (not sure of the exact time frame I think it's World Cup cycle so last 4 years)-given he last played for Spain in 2018 he probably isn't getting extra here- but worth 10 points

You then get an extra 20 points based the transfer fee-given he's on a free so this is null in void

Also taken into account is the team you are joining from/last registered, you'll get extra points depending where they are again based on FIFA rankings/Club Co-efficients- he was at Atlético Mineiro who won the league so he should have gotten points for that say 10


based on your wage in comparison to the PL average you get extra points let's say another 10.

There's other rules too (I believe you can find them on the FA home page but not 100% sure)

He probably only missed out by about 20 odd points, I can probably see the appeal being successful tbh.
Thanks for such a detailed response!

I get why given the broader visa system, but it is interesting how the points system incentivizes further inflation of transfer fees and wages - for an industry that is already running itself into the ground.
Cynic that I am i'm guessing that is because higher wages means more tax revenue for the government and therefore a plus from an immigration point of view.

Re: Other Clubs Summer Transfers/Rumours 22/23

by Remember Colo » Wed Sep 07, 2022 2:14 pm

lassassinblanc wrote:
Wed Sep 07, 2022 9:34 am
Remember Colo wrote:
Tue Sep 06, 2022 8:06 pm

Apparently not officially refused, so much as it's gone to a review panel. I wonder for those that are in the industry here, is this common? I know there's been a crackdown on the work permit requirements for England, but I can't help but assume there are a lot of import players that must face a review panel like this if Costa couldn't get one automatically.
It basically works on a points system, not sure of the exact threshold needed to be granted one but let's say it's 100

You get 30 points if your nationality is in the top 30 of the FIFA Rankings (Costa has both Brazilian and Spanish nationalities so he should be passing this one) [this goes down depending on rankings so 31-80 in get 20 for example and so forth

You get extra points then on top of that based on the number of games you've played for your national team within the last few years (not sure of the exact time frame I think it's World Cup cycle so last 4 years)-given he last played for Spain in 2018 he probably isn't getting extra here- but worth 10 points

You then get an extra 20 points based the transfer fee-given he's on a free so this is null in void

Also taken into account is the team you are joining from/last registered, you'll get extra points depending where they are again based on FIFA rankings/Club Co-efficients- he was at Atlético Mineiro who won the league so he should have gotten points for that say 10


based on your wage in comparison to the PL average you get extra points let's say another 10.

There's other rules too (I believe you can find them on the FA home page but not 100% sure)

He probably only missed out by about 20 odd points, I can probably see the appeal being successful tbh.
Thanks for such a detailed response!

I get why given the broader visa system, but it is interesting how the points system incentivizes further inflation of transfer fees and wages - for an industry that is already running itself into the ground.

Re: Other Clubs Summer Transfers/Rumours 22/23

by Colback's Orange Tufts » Wed Sep 07, 2022 10:35 am

Costa has been out of the game by a bit so that made it harder.

In general its easier for sportspeople than normies becuase:
- there's income thresholds they easuly pass
- for sports they don't have to pass the threshold of "is there a british person who could do this job"

Re: Other Clubs Summer Transfers/Rumours 22/23

by lassassinblanc » Wed Sep 07, 2022 9:34 am

Remember Colo wrote:
Tue Sep 06, 2022 8:06 pm
UlversToon wrote:
Tue Sep 06, 2022 7:16 pm
Diego Costa refused a work permit.
Apparently not officially refused, so much as it's gone to a review panel. I wonder for those that are in the industry here, is this common? I know there's been a crackdown on the work permit requirements for England, but I can't help but assume there are a lot of import players that must face a review panel like this if Costa couldn't get one automatically.
It basically works on a points system, not sure of the exact threshold needed to be granted one but let's say it's 100

You get 30 points if your nationality is in the top 30 of the FIFA Rankings (Costa has both Brazilian and Spanish nationalities so he should be passing this one) [this goes down depending on rankings so 31-80 in get 20 for example and so forth

You get extra points then on top of that based on the number of games you've played for your national team within the last few years (not sure of the exact time frame I think it's World Cup cycle so last 4 years)-given he last played for Spain in 2018 he probably isn't getting extra here- but worth 10 points

You then get an extra 20 points based the transfer fee-given he's on a free so this is null in void

Also taken into account is the team you are joining from/last registered, you'll get extra points depending where they are again based on FIFA rankings/Club Co-efficients- he was at Atlético Mineiro who won the league so he should have gotten points for that say 10


based on your wage in comparison to the PL average you get extra points let's say another 10.

There's other rules too (I believe you can find them on the FA home page but not 100% sure)

He probably only missed out by about 20 odd points, I can probably see the appeal being successful tbh.

Re: Other Clubs Summer Transfers/Rumours 22/23

by bodacious benny » Wed Sep 07, 2022 7:06 am

Telegraph saying they’re considering Andy Carroll if the Costa move falls through <laugh>

Re: Other Clubs Summer Transfers/Rumours 22/23

by Remember Colo » Tue Sep 06, 2022 8:06 pm

UlversToon wrote:
Tue Sep 06, 2022 7:16 pm
Diego Costa refused a work permit.
Apparently not officially refused, so much as it's gone to a review panel. I wonder for those that are in the industry here, is this common? I know there's been a crackdown on the work permit requirements for England, but I can't help but assume there are a lot of import players that must face a review panel like this if Costa couldn't get one automatically.

Re: Other Clubs Summer Transfers/Rumours 22/23

by UlversToon » Tue Sep 06, 2022 7:16 pm

Diego Costa refused a work permit.

Re: Other Clubs Summer Transfers/Rumours 22/23

by bodacious benny » Mon Sep 05, 2022 5:49 pm

Cabella's Invincible Hair wrote:
Sun Sep 04, 2022 6:12 pm
New wolves striker Kaladjdzic did his ACL on his debut, how unlucky is that. Jiminez not fit either apparently. Reports say that they have arranged a trial for Diego Costa next week. Understandably desperate, I guess. Wonder if he has anything left in the tank. "Only" 33, approaching 34.
Got his passport from the same place as Obafemi Martins I bet.

Re: Other Clubs Summer Transfers/Rumours 22/23

by Don Sholeone » Mon Sep 05, 2022 5:14 pm

lassassinblanc wrote:
Mon Sep 05, 2022 3:37 pm
Ross Barkley has joined Nice
Nice

Re: Other Clubs Summer Transfers/Rumours 22/23

by lassassinblanc » Mon Sep 05, 2022 3:37 pm

Ross Barkley has joined Nice

Re: Other Clubs Summer Transfers/Rumours 22/23

by Valentino's fast feet » Sun Sep 04, 2022 6:12 pm

New wolves striker Kaladjdzic did his ACL on his debut, how unlucky is that. Jiminez not fit either apparently. Reports say that they have arranged a trial for Diego Costa next week. Understandably desperate, I guess. Wonder if he has anything left in the tank. "Only" 33, approaching 34.

Re: Other Clubs Summer Transfers/Rumours 22/23

by Tsi » Sat Sep 03, 2022 3:08 pm

overseasTOON wrote:
Sat Sep 03, 2022 3:04 pm
Gilmour is a talented player who was snapped up by Chelsea and has simply been suffocated by the sheer quantity of players they have on the books.

The Norwich move wasn't a great loan season but very few players would have come out of that squad/season with any merit.

Watching Gilmour play for Scotland where he is played in his best position shows what he can really do and I think away from Chelsea and under a manager like Potter, he's going to thrive.

Sounds strange that at the age of 21/22 when you've got to rebuild your reputation.
That could be said of so many talented players from Chelsea or Man City for that matter.

Re: Other Clubs Summer Transfers/Rumours 22/23

by overseasTOON » Sat Sep 03, 2022 3:04 pm

Gilmour is a talented player who was snapped up by Chelsea and has simply been suffocated by the sheer quantity of players they have on the books.

The Norwich move wasn't a great loan season but very few players would have come out of that squad/season with any merit.

Watching Gilmour play for Scotland where he is played in his best position shows what he can really do and I think away from Chelsea and under a manager like Potter, he's going to thrive.

Sounds strange that at the age of 21/22 when you've got to rebuild your reputation.

Re: Other Clubs Summer Transfers/Rumours 22/23

by Tsi » Fri Sep 02, 2022 2:04 pm

He was excellent under Lampard but as is the norm for young players at Chelsea under Tuchel he fell into the Chelsea talent black hole.
He'll do good under Potter and again they have signed well, i love how Brighton are run and it makes it even better knowing the guy that had a massive hand in it now works for us <awe>

Re: Other Clubs Summer Transfers/Rumours 22/23

by bodacious benny » Fri Sep 02, 2022 11:45 am

I haven’t seen the fuss with Gilmour personally but he has had loans at struggling teams. Potter can definitely improve players and get the best out of them tho.

Re: Other Clubs Summer Transfers/Rumours 22/23

by Sanchino » Fri Sep 02, 2022 11:10 am

Tsi wrote:
Thu Sep 01, 2022 7:57 pm
Forest transfer news: Michy Batshuayi set to become club's 20th summer signing <laugh> how are they managing to stay within FFP


This could be a hell of a signing if he shows the form he did before Tuchel arrived

That's a class signing, think will do well at Brighton under Potter's guidance. His style of play suits Gilmour to a peach! Wouldn't have minded Gilmour here but we already have a exciting midfield prospect in Anderson so don't want another youngster coming in to hinder his development. <diva>

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