by omegaprimevkm » Tue Aug 14, 2018 8:13 am
Remember Colo wrote: ↑Fri Aug 10, 2018 9:14 pm
Colly wrote: ↑Fri Aug 10, 2018 8:56 pm
A few people have recently, I've had to put them right in the same way I used to for the people who thought Danny Simpson wasn't s***.
Yeah, I've definitely seen people who deny he was ever good, when he was arguably our best player for a couple years, and as others said, one of our best CBs in the PL era.
OK, I need to clearly make my point as I'm fed up with the denial about Colo.
A club captain takes responsibility, accountability and ownership. Colo did not do this over several years with the armband. He didn't organise the defence, he didn't speak to the media (under strict orders). This is despite the fact that later into his years with the club, he was one of the senior players and the most experienced, never mind being captain. You don't have to look far to see how Lascelles compares, it's night and day.
He didn't visibly improve team performance when on the pitch in my opinion - yes he had a couple of good seasons and yes he knew his way around the ball, but you'd expect that for £10m spent in 2008 as a minimum. In his period within the team, we had numerous capitulation performances which simply don't happen anymore. He took 2 years to really settle, which is fine because when he did he was good, but considering he was on the books for 8 years and the first 2 of those were write offs, and 3 of those were him phoning it in when he didn't fancy being here any more, that is bothersome. The circumstances around his last 2-3 years, with his family issues and morons like his father demanding the club let him go even though he had just signed a new contract says a lot. You got the impression that the wrong people were constantly in his ear.
He certainly had external pressure to leave and was here under the worst stewardship in memory but the fundamental point is that for the top earner, who left in circus like circumstances having been entrusted with so much and not really taking the right level of responsibility or showing any leadership means he just wasn't what he should have been at all. Perhaps association with the Pardew / Carver / Llamb Curry axis of embarrassment has tarnished him more than he deserves but he never came across as actually giving a s*** about playing for NUFC or putting his hardest effort in.
[quote="Remember Colo" post_id=846436 time=1533935677 user_id=108]
[quote=Colly post_id=846435 time=1533934598 user_id=125]
A few people have recently, I've had to put them right in the same way I used to for the people who thought Danny Simpson wasn't s***.
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Yeah, I've definitely seen people who deny he was ever good, when he was arguably our best player for a couple years, and as others said, one of our best CBs in the PL era.
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OK, I need to clearly make my point as I'm fed up with the denial about Colo.
A club captain takes responsibility, accountability and ownership. Colo did not do this over several years with the armband. He didn't organise the defence, he didn't speak to the media (under strict orders). This is despite the fact that later into his years with the club, he was one of the senior players and the most experienced, never mind being captain. You don't have to look far to see how Lascelles compares, it's night and day.
He didn't visibly improve team performance when on the pitch in my opinion - yes he had a couple of good seasons and yes he knew his way around the ball, but you'd expect that for £10m spent in 2008 as a minimum. In his period within the team, we had numerous capitulation performances which simply don't happen anymore. He took 2 years to really settle, which is fine because when he did he was good, but considering he was on the books for 8 years and the first 2 of those were write offs, and 3 of those were him phoning it in when he didn't fancy being here any more, that is bothersome. The circumstances around his last 2-3 years, with his family issues and morons like his father demanding the club let him go even though he had just signed a new contract says a lot. You got the impression that the wrong people were constantly in his ear.
He certainly had external pressure to leave and was here under the worst stewardship in memory but the fundamental point is that for the top earner, who left in circus like circumstances having been entrusted with so much and not really taking the right level of responsibility or showing any leadership means he just wasn't what he should have been at all. Perhaps association with the Pardew / Carver / Llamb Curry axis of embarrassment has tarnished him more than he deserves but he never came across as actually giving a s*** about playing for NUFC or putting his hardest effort in.
