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Re: Match thread - Wolves V NUFC

by Donkey Toon » Mon Jan 13, 2020 5:59 pm

Remember Colo wrote: ↑
Mon Jan 13, 2020 3:42 pm
CIH wrote: ↑
Sat Jan 11, 2020 8:13 pm

Yeah and I agree with you there, he definitely has a clanger in him. I personally feel he's won more with the saves than lost with the mistakes. It's not the best algorithm, but we are certainly better off having him than not.
Plus, when a keeper is under pressure as often as he is, with so many chances, so little possession and frequent defensive blunders, you're bound to make a few more mistakes than your peers.
Exactly. For years now we have effectively been playing defence versus attack, with a reliance on counter attacking to get our goals. Therefore our goalkeeper and defenders have an increased volume of chances to defend against and should be given some leeway over mistakes.

I find it ironic that our fans are all to keen to give attackers an excuse for lack of goals based on scarcity of attacking opportunities but fail to give defenders the same benefit when it comes to defending. Put simply the more you have to do the more likely you are to get it wrong from time to time.

Re: Match thread - Wolves V NUFC

by UlversToon » Mon Jan 13, 2020 5:45 pm

For what it's worth Dubravka made Garth Crooks' team of the week.

Re: Match thread - Wolves V NUFC

by ALF » Mon Jan 13, 2020 4:45 pm

Another perk of 'parking the bus' <awe>

Re: Match thread - Wolves V NUFC

by bodacious benny » Mon Jan 13, 2020 3:59 pm

Yeah that's very true.

Re: Match thread - Wolves V NUFC

by Remember Colo » Mon Jan 13, 2020 3:42 pm

CIH wrote: ↑
Sat Jan 11, 2020 8:13 pm
ALF wrote: ↑
Sat Jan 11, 2020 7:24 pm

He does deserve the praise for making the saves, 100% agree with you. But if we're praising him for doing well he also deserves criticism for his errors.
Yeah and I agree with you there, he definitely has a clanger in him. I personally feel he's won more with the saves than lost with the mistakes. It's not the best algorithm, but we are certainly better off having him than not.
Plus, when a keeper is under pressure as often as he is, with so many chances, so little possession and frequent defensive blunders, you're bound to make a few more mistakes than your peers.

Re: Match thread - Wolves V NUFC

by UlversToon » Mon Jan 13, 2020 12:34 pm

Ashley has a lot to answer for.

Re: Match thread - Wolves V NUFC

by bodacious benny » Mon Jan 13, 2020 10:35 am

Hjl wrote: ↑
Sun Jan 12, 2020 9:40 pm
 I remember when avoiding relegation wasn't the height of our ambition....
Remember when finishing 5th and just outside of the CL spots was seen as disappointing in the early 2000s <awe>

Re: Match thread - Wolves V NUFC

by overseasTOON » Mon Jan 13, 2020 7:40 am

Hjl wrote: ↑
Sun Jan 12, 2020 9:40 pm
 I remember when avoiding relegation wasn't the height of our ambition....
And all you could see was fields.

Re: Match thread - Wolves V NUFC

by UlversToon » Sun Jan 12, 2020 9:47 pm

Hjl wrote: ↑
Sun Jan 12, 2020 9:40 pm
 I remember when avoiding relegation wasn't the height of our ambition....
Sad times. <neg>

Re: Match thread - Wolves V NUFC

by Hjl » Sun Jan 12, 2020 9:40 pm

I remember when avoiding relegation wasn't the height of our ambition....

Re: Match thread - Wolves V NUFC

by bodacious benny » Sun Jan 12, 2020 6:44 pm

Yep. Chelsea are inconsistent, I think we can get a draw next weekend.

Good to see villa getting pummelled. We’ve still got Villa, Burnley, Norwich and West Ham to come to SJP. Regardless of our other games, win those and we’re as good as safe.

Re: Match thread - Wolves V NUFC

by UlversToon » Sun Jan 12, 2020 6:22 pm

Excellent point considering 6 of the 7 teams below us lost this weekend, Watford being the only winners, and the goal difference of a few taking a bit of a hammering.

Re: Match thread - Wolves V NUFC

by bodacious benny » Sun Jan 12, 2020 8:55 am

Wolves are quite clever what they do with their away ‘end’. It runs down the entire length of pitch on the lower tier of one of the stands. Because away fans are spread out long and thin essentially it is harder to get an atmosphere going. Half the time you’ve got fans at one in trying to get one song going, fans in the middle another and fans down the other hand trying a third song.

Re: Match thread - Wolves V NUFC

by Valentino's fast feet » Sat Jan 11, 2020 8:13 pm

ALF wrote: ↑
Sat Jan 11, 2020 7:24 pm
CIH wrote: ↑
Sat Jan 11, 2020 7:21 pm

I think Dubravka would benefit from the most expensive defender of all time being sat in front of him. You argue he deserves stick because he's make more mistakes leading to goals, I argue he deserves praise for making more saves than any others. He's not world class, but he has his moments. For my money, he'd be a lot better with a better defense in front of him. Personally I feel he's given more to us than he's lost with errors. We certainly aren't going to get any better. He was immense today, we definitely didn't deserve a point.
He does deserve the praise for making the saves, 100% agree with you. But if we're praising him for doing well he also deserves criticism for his errors.
Yeah and I agree with you there, he definitely has a clanger in him. I personally feel he's won more with the saves than lost with the mistakes. It's not the best algorithm, but we are certainly better off having him than not.

Re: Match thread - Wolves V NUFC

by ALF » Sat Jan 11, 2020 7:24 pm

CIH wrote: ↑
Sat Jan 11, 2020 7:21 pm
ALF wrote: ↑
Sat Jan 11, 2020 7:02 pm
 Dubravka has deserved stick. He's a very good goalkeeper that's made more saves than any other goalkeeper this season. But he's also made more mistakes leading to goals than any other keeper except De Gea(last time I saw the stat for it).
I think Dubravka would benefit from the most expensive defender of all time being sat in front of him. You argue he deserves stick because he's make more mistakes leading to goals, I argue he deserves praise for making more saves than any others. He's not world class, but he has his moments. For my money, he'd be a lot better with a better defense in front of him. Personally I feel he's given more to us than he's lost with errors. We certainly aren't going to get any better. He was immense today, we definitely didn't deserve a point.
He does deserve the praise for making the saves, 100% agree with you. But if we're praising him for doing well he also deserves criticism for his errors.

Re: Match thread - Wolves V NUFC

by Valentino's fast feet » Sat Jan 11, 2020 7:21 pm

ALF wrote: ↑
Sat Jan 11, 2020 7:02 pm
 Dubravka has deserved stick. He's a very good goalkeeper that's made more saves than any other goalkeeper this season. But he's also made more mistakes leading to goals than any other keeper except De Gea(last time I saw the stat for it).
I think Dubravka would benefit from the most expensive defender of all time being sat in front of him. You argue he deserves stick because he's make more mistakes leading to goals, I argue he deserves praise for making more saves than any others. He's not world class, but he has his moments. For my money, he'd be a lot better with a better defense in front of him. Personally I feel he's given more to us than he's lost with errors. We certainly aren't going to get any better. He was immense today, we definitely didn't deserve a point.

Re: Match thread - Wolves V NUFC

by ALF » Sat Jan 11, 2020 7:02 pm

Dubravka has deserved stick. He's a very good goalkeeper that's made more saves than any other goalkeeper this sesason. But he's also made more mistakes leading to goals than any other keeper except De Gea(last time I saw the stat for it).

Re: Match thread - Wolves V NUFC

by Valentino's fast feet » Sat Jan 11, 2020 6:50 pm

Bodacious Benny wrote: ↑
Sat Jan 11, 2020 5:49 pm
 Happy with a point despite us gifting them their equaliser from another defensive mistake.

Dubravka was excellent (once again showing he saves us far more points than he costs us), and Almiron very good too. He’s looking far more confident now he’s scored a few goals and it’ll be great when ASM is back on the other side. Thought Atsu ran a lot but wasn’t great, hayden deputised at RWB quite well defensively.

Now I’m not one of the twats who stands shouting abuse at our own players, but Joelinton was abysmal. Whether he has talent or not he was either knackered or disinterested today and seemingly put in zero effort. Bruce should have subbed him far sooner than he did, Carroll did more in 15 mins than Joelinton did all afternoon.
I agree with all of this pretty much. Dubravka is brilliant, and it annoys me that he gets stick. Yeah he has had a couple of clangers, but it happens. As you said, he's definitely won us more points than lost. I hope they don't rush ASM back, which they will. Him back in the side would be beneficial. Joelinton is gash. He's looked half decent playing out wide or behind the striker, where he played before we signed him. He's clearly not a 40m forward so far. I'm concerned that Gayle's injury might rule out his sale, and hence a transfer fee to fund someone else. Lookman and that nasty bastard at Rangers seems to have been the most linked.

Re: Match thread - Wolves V NUFC

by ALF » Sat Jan 11, 2020 6:17 pm

A good point but rotten luck with the injuries.

Re: Match thread - Wolves V NUFC

by bodacious benny » Sat Jan 11, 2020 5:49 pm

Happy with a point despite us gifting them their equaliser from another defensive mistake.

Dubravka was excellent (once again showing he saves us far more points than he costs us), and Almiron very good too. He’s looking far more confident now he’s scored a few goals and it’ll be great when ASM is back on the other side. Thought Atsu ran a lot but wasn’t great, hayden deputised at RWB quite well defensively.

Now I’m not one of the twats who stands shouting abuse at our own players, but Joelinton was abysmal. Whether he has talent or not he was either knackered or disinterested today and seemingly put in zero effort. Bruce should have subbed him far sooner than he did, Carroll did more in 15 mins than Joelinton did all afternoon.

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