Matchday Thread: Spurs v Newcastle

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Re: Matchday Thread: Spurs v Newcastle

Post by Remember Colo » Sun Sep 27, 2020 3:09 pm

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Late to the thread, but that was my thinking. He's not a LB, and I've never understood people when talking about the squad counting him as one. And Hayden's not CB either. I keep hearing we have depth in these positions and yet at least two players are out of position and it's only matchweek 3. None of this has even touched on the fact it's another week that highlights our CM isn't good enough - as it hasn't been for like 6 years (I'll keep beating that dead horse).
Does anyone count Ritchie as an out and fullback? He's proved himself at wing back and that's why Bruce has had to put Hayden in as a 3rd CB given Lewis' injury. We could maybe bring in an extra CB to replace Lejeune (though given how often he's been fit over two seasons it's not a big change) but we are missing Clark, Schar and Dummett which would make a dent on any squad. No doubt whatsoever that we need to improve on Shelvey though as I've said ad infinitum for three seasons.

I was posting this prior to the penalty incident (honest) , but for all the doom and gloom and missing players we had it at 1-0 all game, which is exactly what we played for against the big teams with Rafa even without a massive injury issue among our ball playing defenders and ASM missing. I would never say "I'll take a 1-0" because it's still a loss (THINK OF THE GOAL DIFFERENCE) but it keeps you in the game and we've reaped the rewards whilst playing poorly against a good side.
I think there were a lot of people in the summer who were tallying him up as a LB, especially when the talk was sticking with 4 at the back more than 5. But I agree that a lot of us still didn't.

And I agree with your second paragraph, that especially with the second half, they did more to hang around. Though with the Spurs fixture congestion right now, I wish we'd put them under more pressure and made them work a bit harder.

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Re: Matchday Thread: Spurs v Newcastle

Post by Remember Colo » Sun Sep 27, 2020 3:10 pm

I'll add though, I think there's a lot of revisionist history happening, where pundits are pretending players have never been called for accidental handballs before. There were plenty of similar handballs like that called before, the difference is the decision is happening after a review now.

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Re: Matchday Thread: Spurs v Newcastle

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Re: Matchday Thread: Spurs v Newcastle

Post by Bodacious Benny » Sun Sep 27, 2020 3:15 pm

It’s nice to see rules being applied consistently tbf...
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Re: Matchday Thread: Spurs v Newcastle

Post by Captain Obvious » Sun Sep 27, 2020 3:15 pm

This result cannot justify or vindicate the way we set up. It shouldn't I should say. Because we all know we won't be changing anytime soon.

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Re: Matchday Thread: Spurs v Newcastle

Post by Donkey Toon » Sun Sep 27, 2020 3:18 pm

Remember Colo wrote:
Sun Sep 27, 2020 3:09 pm
Colly wrote:
Sun Sep 27, 2020 3:01 pm


Does anyone count Ritchie as an out and fullback? He's proved himself at wing back and that's why Bruce has had to put Hayden in as a 3rd CB given Lewis' injury. We could maybe bring in an extra CB to replace Lejeune (though given how often he's been fit over two seasons it's not a big change) but we are missing Clark, Schar and Dummett which would make a dent on any squad. No doubt whatsoever that we need to improve on Shelvey though as I've said ad infinitum for three seasons.

I was posting this prior to the penalty incident (honest) , but for all the doom and gloom and missing players we had it at 1-0 all game, which is exactly what we played for against the big teams with Rafa even without a massive injury issue among our ball playing defenders and ASM missing. I would never say "I'll take a 1-0" because it's still a loss (THINK OF THE GOAL DIFFERENCE) but it keeps you in the game and we've reaped the rewards whilst playing poorly against a good side.
I think there were a lot of people in the summer who were tallying him up as a LB, especially when the talk was sticking with 4 at the back more than 5. But I agree that a lot of us still didn't.

And I agree with your second paragraph, that especially with the second half, they did more to hang around. Though with the Spurs fixture congestion right now, I wish we'd put them under more pressure and made them work a bit harder.
I get really annoyed at the disrespect shown to full backs where people seem to think any player can just fill in there. It is as much a specialist position as any on the field and for far too long we have gone without quality players in depth in that position. Ritchie is a million miles away from being good enough in that position to be starting a game in that role. Especially when you have 3 genuine full backs on the bench.

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Re: Matchday Thread: Spurs v Newcastle

Post by ALF » Sun Sep 27, 2020 3:18 pm

Jonjo Shelvey is the worst starting midfielder in the Premier League.

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Re: Matchday Thread: Spurs v Newcastle

Post by Blue & Maroon » Sun Sep 27, 2020 3:19 pm

Well I'm glad I missed that s*** show. Spurs fans must hate us we always do this vs them

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Re: Matchday Thread: Spurs v Newcastle

Post by ALF » Sun Sep 27, 2020 3:22 pm

Donkey Toon wrote:
Sun Sep 27, 2020 3:18 pm
Remember Colo wrote:
Sun Sep 27, 2020 3:09 pm

I think there were a lot of people in the summer who were tallying him up as a LB, especially when the talk was sticking with 4 at the back more than 5. But I agree that a lot of us still didn't.

And I agree with your second paragraph, that especially with the second half, they did more to hang around. Though with the Spurs fixture congestion right now, I wish we'd put them under more pressure and made them work a bit harder.
I get really annoyed at the disrespect shown to full backs where people seem to think any player can just fill in there. It is as much a specialist position as any on the field and for far too long we have gone without quality players in depth in that position. Ritchie is a million miles away from being good enough in that position to be starting a game in that role. Especially when you have 3 genuine full backs on the bench.
Thing is it's like Carragher said a few years ago, 'Nobody wants to grow up to be a Gary Neville'. It's very rare that full backs are specialists, they're normally CB's that were too short(or Dan Burn) or wingers that didn't do enough going forward. Normally this change happens before 30 though and they adapt quickly(Valencia or Jesus Navas).

I don't for one minute think Ritchie is a full back, he's just a winger that works hard and isn't good enough.

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Re: Matchday Thread: Spurs v Newcastle

Post by Colly » Sun Sep 27, 2020 3:25 pm

But he didn't start the game as a full back, he started it as a wing back which he can do. Our whole formation was dictated by the shortage of CBs and Lewis' injury.

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Re: Matchday Thread: Spurs v Newcastle

Post by ALF » Sun Sep 27, 2020 3:29 pm

The biggest concern for me is the lack of movement from the players when we've got the ball. Multiple times Joelinton or Almiron got the ball and everybody just stood still watching them.

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Re: Matchday Thread: Spurs v Newcastle

Post by The Deluded Pablo Diego Jose Francisco » Sun Sep 27, 2020 3:31 pm

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The biggest concern for me is the lack of movement from the players when we've got the ball. Multiple times Joelinton or Almiron got the ball and everybody just stood still watching them.
Yeah, and thats not going to change anytime soon...

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Re: Matchday Thread: Spurs v Newcastle

Post by overseasTOON » Sun Sep 27, 2020 3:35 pm

Bruce has stated it wasn't a penalty in his opinion and would have been livid if it had been against his team.

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Re: Matchday Thread: Spurs v Newcastle

Post by Captain Obvious » Sun Sep 27, 2020 3:36 pm

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Bruce has stated it wasn't a penalty in his opinion and would have been livid if it had been against his team.
He looked embarrassed at full time

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Re: Matchday Thread: Spurs v Newcastle

Post by Don Sholeone » Sun Sep 27, 2020 3:36 pm

Shelvey is the worst for standing about, also did anyone see Murphy have a pop at him for talking too much, i noticed Shelvey shying away but still running his mouth and pointing where everyone should pass then 2 minutes later he does it to murphy and Murphy then shuts him down, thats instantly won me over <laugh>
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Re: Matchday Thread: Spurs v Newcastle

Post by Captain Obvious » Sun Sep 27, 2020 3:36 pm

I think I was wrong about Karl Darlow. Had a good game

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Re: Matchday Thread: Spurs v Newcastle

Post by Captain Obvious » Sun Sep 27, 2020 3:37 pm

Don Sholeone wrote:
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Shelvey is the worst for standing about, also did anyone see Murphy have a pop at him for talking too much, i noticed Shelvey shying away but still running his mouth and pointing where everyone should pass then 2 minutes later he does it to murphy and Murphy then shuts him down, thats instantly won me over <laugh>
Shelvey is the slowest f***er around

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Re: Matchday Thread: Spurs v Newcastle

Post by overseasTOON » Sun Sep 27, 2020 3:40 pm

Don Sholeone wrote:
Sun Sep 27, 2020 3:36 pm
Shelvey is the worst for standing about, also did anyone see Murphy have a pop at him for talking too much, i noticed Shelvey shying away but still running his mouth and pointing where everyone should pass then 2 minutes later he does it to murphy and Murphy then shuts him down, thats instantly won me over <laugh>
That's one main reason I don't like Shelvey and it's his frequent pointing out where the ball is. He does it when he can't be arsed to join in the play. He's just plain lazy.

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Re: Matchday Thread: Spurs v Newcastle

Post by Donkey Toon » Sun Sep 27, 2020 3:40 pm

Captain Obvious wrote:
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I think I was wrong about Karl Darlow. Had a good game
Yeah easily MotM. Sky said he made 10 saves, which is the most by an English goalkeeper in the PL for something like 3 years.

The lad did good.

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Re: Matchday Thread: Spurs v Newcastle

Post by Don Sholeone » Sun Sep 27, 2020 3:41 pm

Bodacious Benny wrote:
Sun Sep 27, 2020 3:15 pm
It’s nice to see rules being applied consistently tbf...
Yeah same, I just posted on twitter about the handball, we have seen enough of these given this season to know that this is the rule now. So for pundits to act like its a travesty is a bit disingenuous, its like complaining that an offside goal is disallowed just because the player is a few inches offside, these are the rules like it or not.

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