Match day thread: Newcastle v West Ham
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I liked the bit where we played tippy tapped football across the back 4 to protect our lead....... oh
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Letting a ball bounce in your box shouldn't be something Bruce should have to tell a player nor chasing back when a penalty is saved.
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No but Bruce should recognise that the midfield was non- existent and being run ragged and changed it earlier . We were dropping too deep inviting pressure and hoofing balls down the channels as an escape route. It's poor football from a poor manager. We were never in command of the game even when we were ahead.lassassinblanc wrote: ↑Sun Aug 15, 2021 2:52 pmLetting a ball bounce in your box shouldn't be something Bruce should have to tell a player nor chasing back when a penalty is saved.
Willock almost single handedly kept us up last season with some vital goals / points and it looks like all the hope will be pinned on him again this season.
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We were awful in that second half but that ridiculous penalty just killed us, I watched a piece on Sky just yesterday saying how they are stamping out soft penalties and exaggerated falls... Then Martin Atkinson happened. It was a textbook example of what they said they are not going to do and not even a suggestion for the ref to review it. What's the f***ing point? At this point it seems they are saying any old s*** just to appease the VAR doubters.
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This. Ageing slow defenders in there 30s (Fernandez/Clark) & having slow midfield plodders (Hayden/Shelvey) doesn't help either. Ritchie was decent in the first half but had a mare' in the second.. get Willems back in or if we're looking to play this high-pressure attacking counter football then get Lewis back in the team he may not be defensively the best but he's got pace. Murphy had a good first half but was poor in the second, losing the ball recklessly, poor decision making & conceded a pen. We might as well play a fearless attacking high pressure style which we'll end up losing some, drawing and winning some at least there's goals and entertainment. If we're looking to play that then we need a change in midfield.. more pace & technical ability. We missed Willock's energy & drive in the middle. West Ham showed there quality on the break.. with Bowen, Benramias & Antonio's pace ripping us to shreds. We clearly need a dynamic, technical & classy destroyer who can win the ball back/break up play but good on the ball and can drive us forward.. Need Shelvey & Hayden upgrades.
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gd football and attackin so nt 2 upset bt obvs wud rather win
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A few things confirmed, as if we didn’t already really know:
Defence gives us the fear
Our fitness levels to stay in game and pose a threat diminishes alarmingly as the time goes on
Our midfield is soft as sh!t
Moyes is a class manager, ours isn’t, albeit he’s a very nice guy seemingly.
We need a solid holding midfielder and if we need to sell both Longstaff’s so be it
The team needs Willock installed ASAP
All in all, we look a good team in bursts only but cannae manage a comfortable 90 minutes
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Defence gives us the fear
Our fitness levels to stay in game and pose a threat diminishes alarmingly as the time goes on
Our midfield is soft as sh!t
Moyes is a class manager, ours isn’t, albeit he’s a very nice guy seemingly.
We need a solid holding midfielder and if we need to sell both Longstaff’s so be it
The team needs Willock installed ASAP
All in all, we look a good team in bursts only but cannae manage a comfortable 90 minutes
I’m away to lie down
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Tbh I didn’t watch thinking “no way was that a pen”.Don Sholeone wrote: ↑Sun Aug 15, 2021 3:05 pmWe were awful in that second half but that ridiculous penalty just killed us, I watched a piece on Sky just yesterday saying how they are stamping out soft penalties and exaggerated falls... Then Martin Atkinson happened. It was a textbook example of what they said they are not going to do and not even a suggestion for the ref to review it. What's the f***ing point? At this point it seems they are saying any old s*** just to appease the VAR doubters.
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He should also have recognised that we literally didn’t have a defence from when the game kicked off to when it finished.Toondes wrote: ↑Sun Aug 15, 2021 3:05 pmNo but Bruce should recognise that the midfield was non- existent and being run ragged and changed it earlier . We were dropping too deep inviting pressure and hoofing balls down the channels as an escape route. It's poor football from a poor manager. We were never in command of the game even when we were ahead.lassassinblanc wrote: ↑Sun Aug 15, 2021 2:52 pm
Letting a ball bounce in your box shouldn't be something Bruce should have to tell a player nor chasing back when a penalty is saved.
Willock almost single handedly kept us up last season with some vital goals / points and it looks like all the hope will be pinned on him again this season.
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Re: Match day thread: Newcastle v West Ham
How did Woodman play? Was the goals more down to bad defending?
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Yeah I thought so.Cabella's Invincible Hair wrote: ↑Sun Aug 15, 2021 6:31 pmHow did Woodman play? Was the goals more down to bad defending?
Made one decent save from Bowen and a little unlucky after saving the penalty.
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Just watched the game, having avoided all info etc til now.
Back three of Clark, Fernandez and Krafth is asking for trouble. I do not understand why Lascelles (and imo Schär, but I know that’s more controversial) was not starting. Mad.
Shelvey was bang average as always. Woodman was OK but exposed. Ritchie had a severe off day, one assist aside.
So disappointing
Back three of Clark, Fernandez and Krafth is asking for trouble. I do not understand why Lascelles (and imo Schär, but I know that’s more controversial) was not starting. Mad.
Shelvey was bang average as always. Woodman was OK but exposed. Ritchie had a severe off day, one assist aside.
So disappointing
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Surely Lascelles must have been carrying an injury or something has gone on behind the scenes? The back three were shocking, well not just them, the entire defensive unit.Speedo wrote: ↑Sun Aug 15, 2021 11:14 pmJust watched the game, having avoided all info etc til now.
Back three of Clark, Fernandez and Krafth is asking for trouble. I do not understand why Lascelles (and imo Schär, but I know that’s more controversial) was not starting. Mad.
Shelvey was bang average as always. Woodman was OK but exposed. Ritchie had a severe off day, one assist aside.
So disappointing
Though I thought that Shelvey was far from our worst players yesterday. In midfield, Almiron was back to his headless chicken routine of lots of running without doing anything.
I've still no idea what happened at HT (other than Bruce). We were playing a good press in the first half, creating plenty of chances, yes they had chances too but I thought we deservedly went in ahead at the break. Then just a massive collapse early in the second half and it could have been about 2-6 come the end of the game.
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Agree on Almiron. Shelvey wasn't the worst and I thought Hayden was worst. I feel bad, played out of position and he suffers, as do the back line by having no protection.Bodacious Benny wrote: ↑Mon Aug 16, 2021 8:08 am
Though I thought that Shelvey was far from our worst players yesterday. In midfield, Almiron was back to his headless chicken routine of lots of running without doing anything.
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You'd hope that next match Willock will presumably be fulfilling that get forward in attack/support role and Hayden will be shielding the back four. Hopefully Lascelles back too to give us some actual presence in defence.Colback's Orange Tufts wrote: ↑Mon Aug 16, 2021 10:22 amAgree on Almiron. Shelvey wasn't the worst and I thought Hayden was worst. I feel bad, played out of position and he suffers, as do the back line by having no protection.Bodacious Benny wrote: ↑Mon Aug 16, 2021 8:08 am
Though I thought that Shelvey was far from our worst players yesterday. In midfield, Almiron was back to his headless chicken routine of lots of running without doing anything.
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Maybe. Bruce seems to love Shelvey deeper (less pressing so he has more time on the ball?) and I imagine he'll stay there....Bodacious Benny wrote: ↑Mon Aug 16, 2021 10:34 amYou'd hope that next match Willock will presumably be fulfilling that get forward in attack/support role and Hayden will be shielding the back four. Hopefully Lascelles back too to give us some actual presence in defence.Colback's Orange Tufts wrote: ↑Mon Aug 16, 2021 10:22 am
Agree on Almiron. Shelvey wasn't the worst and I thought Hayden was worst. I feel bad, played out of position and he suffers, as do the back line by having no protection.
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Take it a step further, bring back the Shelvey libero.Colback's Orange Tufts wrote: ↑Mon Aug 16, 2021 10:49 amMaybe. Bruce seems to love Shelvey deeper (less pressing so he has more time on the ball?) and I imagine he'll stay there....Bodacious Benny wrote: ↑Mon Aug 16, 2021 10:34 am
You'd hope that next match Willock will presumably be fulfilling that get forward in attack/support role and Hayden will be shielding the back four. Hopefully Lascelles back too to give us some actual presence in defence.
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Hayden had an OK first half got into the box and complented the attack (a role I'd imagine Willock will play).
Shelvey had a good game I thought. Recycled the ball well and got the ball forward when he could and had the option to do so.
ASM had one of his off days too tried too much instead of the simple pass cost us a goal and could have cost more.
Ritchie is great going forward but really lacks any defensive brain at fault for two of the goals.
Shelvey had a good game I thought. Recycled the ball well and got the ball forward when he could and had the option to do so.
ASM had one of his off days too tried too much instead of the simple pass cost us a goal and could have cost more.
Ritchie is great going forward but really lacks any defensive brain at fault for two of the goals.
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I thought I read that Schar wasn't ready to play 90 minutes so didn't start (I took s*** from a fellow fan who said players are too weak and should be ready to play, but I would presume it was a coaching/trainer decision, not him asking not to start). But given the Lascelles benching, it felt more like Bruce wanted to play the same back line that finished last season. Which is a giant pet peave of mine - it's bad enough when a manager repeatedly uses the same XI (instead of best XI or best to face the opposition) waiting for a bad performance to make a change - but to potentially do that months later, when it's obviously not your 3 best CBs is assinine.Bodacious Benny wrote: ↑Mon Aug 16, 2021 8:08 amSurely Lascelles must have been carrying an injury or something has gone on behind the scenes? The back three were shocking, well not just them, the entire defensive unit.Speedo wrote: ↑Sun Aug 15, 2021 11:14 pmJust watched the game, having avoided all info etc til now.
Back three of Clark, Fernandez and Krafth is asking for trouble. I do not understand why Lascelles (and imo Schär, but I know that’s more controversial) was not starting. Mad.
Shelvey was bang average as always. Woodman was OK but exposed. Ritchie had a severe off day, one assist aside.
So disappointing
Though I thought that Shelvey was far from our worst players yesterday. In midfield, Almiron was back to his headless chicken routine of lots of running without doing anything.
I've still no idea what happened at HT (other than Bruce). We were playing a good press in the first half, creating plenty of chances, yes they had chances too but I thought we deservedly went in ahead at the break. Then just a massive collapse early in the second half and it could have been about 2-6 come the end of the game.