Agree. You cannot hate on a country and their people just because you don't like the regime.Bodacious Benny wrote: ↑Thu Oct 07, 2021 7:32 pmAnd that makes someone putting a flag on their profile a cronut, based on knowing nothing at all about them?
It’s cringe for sure, that’s about it.
Newcastle fans with Saudi flags aren't doing it out of a new found love of the Saudi people and their culture. It's done in support of the people behind the purchase of the club, who are massive d***s.Oval85 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 07, 2021 7:40 pmAgree. You cannot hate on a country and their people just because you don't like the regime.Bodacious Benny wrote: ↑Thu Oct 07, 2021 7:32 pm
And that makes someone putting a flag on their profile a cronut, based on knowing nothing at all about them?
It’s cringe for sure, that’s about it.
There are multiple regimes around the world that should be stopped from doing horrendous acts, not only Saudi.
For sure, but one bought our football club today, and it's the regime that owns it, not the country anyway. I somehow doubt the Saudi flags in Newcastle fan profile names are to show solidarity with the oppressed groups within Saudi Arabia, and not the super rich Sheik and his investment fund that just bought us.Oval85 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 07, 2021 7:40 pmAgree. You cannot hate on a country and their people just because you don't like the regime.Bodacious Benny wrote: ↑Thu Oct 07, 2021 7:32 pm
And that makes someone putting a flag on their profile a cronut, based on knowing nothing at all about them?
It’s cringe for sure, that’s about it.
There are multiple regimes around the world that should be stopped from doing horrendous acts, not only Saudi.
This. I agree with all of that!Remember Colo wrote: ↑Thu Oct 07, 2021 7:51 pmFor sure, but one bought our football club today, and it's the regime that owns it, not the country anyway. I somehow doubt the Saudi flags in Newcastle fan profile names are to show solidarity with the oppressed groups within Saudi Arabia, and not the super rich Sheik and his investment fund that just bought us.
I'll also be clear - I wouldn't have wanted the club bought by any government on earth. If we complain that clubs have been stolen from the fans by a couple rich idiots in London, what does it mean when they become owned by a country on another continent? But if I had to create a list of the most dangerous despots on earth, even before rumours of this sale swirled a year and a half ago, I'd still have ranked KSA near the top of that list. And to complain about them owning us, doesn't mean I lose sight of the other countries with similarly devastating human rights and political dissension practices. "At least it's not North Korea." doesn't make me feel better.
I think alot of players would want to be on this journey. Didn't City sign Robinho when they first got rich?
Well the obvious one is Tarkowski
Would love to see Kessie. A player that I think would really suit the league, and add a hell of a lot to our midfield.
Touched on this on another thread, if we have an ambitious plan in place I dont see why we couldn't be in for some of these players, it eliminates some of the FFP restrictions so why not.
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I agree 100%.DavideDuck wrote: ↑Thu Oct 07, 2021 8:48 pmDone with the club unfortunately. I'm not going to tell other people how to think, but it would be impossible for me to separate the club from a state that clearly controls it (despite what the Premier League will have you believe).
People point out that we, in one way or another, contribute to borderline evil causes on a daily base. It's hard to disagree with that, especially living in a world filled with nuance. However, what's key is whether or not those contributions are conscious or unconscious.
For example, I stayed in a B&B a few weeks ago and later discovered the owner was an Alt-Righter who had been prosecuted on racism charges; he still got my £60. On the other hand, I can make a conscious decision to not buy from Amazon, as their track record is proven and I can live without paying a quid extra for lamp.
Likewise with NUFC, they're owned by a Public Investment Fund of a sovereign state with a proven track record of human rights abuse. I know my ticket purchases will directly fund that state, so I can make a conscious decision not to do so. I can also live without watching football in one particular ground for the time being.
I've got no control over whether or not my tax payments go towards building fighter jets that bomb Yemeni kids. I do have enough control to decide that I'm not gonna spend my Saturday afternoon watching Mahrez make his debut in black and white.
It's sad to see how people are so willing to blind themselves with the carrot that hangs from the stick. Whether it's football, social justice, or climate change, people seem happy to pass the buck.
Not like we're all a homogeneous mass, but it seems Newcastle fans have always struggled to take a stand. For all the talk of boycotts, protests, and petitions, nothing has ever come to true fruition. s**** footy has done more than any instance of organised action when it comes to keeping people away from the stadium.Donkey Toon wrote: ↑Thu Oct 07, 2021 9:03 pmI agree 100%.DavideDuck wrote: ↑Thu Oct 07, 2021 8:48 pmDone with the club unfortunately. I'm not going to tell other people how to think, but it would be impossible for me to separate the club from a state that clearly controls it (despite what the Premier League will have you believe).
People point out that we, in one way or another, contribute to borderline evil causes on a daily base. It's hard to disagree with that, especially living in a world filled with nuance. However, what's key is whether or not those contributions are conscious or unconscious.
For example, I stayed in a B&B a few weeks ago and later discovered the owner was an Alt-Righter who had been prosecuted on racism charges; he still got my £60. On the other hand, I can make a conscious decision to not buy from Amazon, as their track record is proven and I can live without paying a quid extra for lamp.
Likewise with NUFC, they're owned by a Public Investment Fund of a sovereign state with a proven track record of human rights abuse. I know my ticket purchases will directly fund that state, so I can make a conscious decision not to do so. I can also live without watching football in one particular ground for the time being.
I've got no control over whether or not my tax payments go towards building fighter jets that bomb Yemeni kids. I do have enough control to decide that I'm not gonna spend my Saturday afternoon watching Mahrez make his debut in black and white.
It's sad to see how people are so willing to blind themselves with the carrot that hangs from the stick. Whether it's football, social justice, or climate change, people seem happy to pass the buck.
Like you i'm extremely disappointed at the level of mental gymnastics so many fans are going through to justify why going along with this takeover is okay, but i'm no longer surprised. I guess we all make moral compromises here and there, but this one is so clear cut to me it astonishes me that so few are even raising opposition let alone making a stand.
Garrus Vakarian wrote:It's so easy to see the galaxy in black and white, but grey? I don't know what to do with grey...
I tend to pop on here and lurk every 6 months or so
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From a quick google (Dennis Wise eat your heart out) he sounds like exactly the kind of player our midfield is missing. Defensive mid who can passCabella's Invincible Hair wrote: ↑Thu Oct 07, 2021 8:33 pmWould love to see Kessie. A player that I think would really suit the league, and add a hell of a lot to our midfield.
