Weekend football - 20/21 April 2024

[Colly]

That's a very good point, realistically VAR came in (eventually) in response to Henry's handball vs Ireland, and it's those absolute howlers that we'd still like to see prevented. Sadly though the genie is out of the bottle and we are now scrutinising everything, adding a second subjective review to the refs initial one, and we'll never row it back. All or nothing now.

[Don Sholeone]

Offsides should never have had the lines imo, should have been the naked eye and simply a question of can you say with 100% certainty that's "clear and obviously" offside.

Handballs should have been for deliberate or ones that drastically impacted the play.

[Colly]

Finally seen the highlights, first two aren't pens, 3rd one probably is. Clattenburg has doubled down in his Daily Mail column (yes, that is a thing) in an article that at no point mentions he's a Nottingham Forest employee. I actually hope the league throws the book at them, it's Arteta level embarrassing and they don't have the language excuse.

[bodacious benny]

I mean Liverpool practically threatened PGMOL after the Spurs game earlier this season, and nothing was done to them…

[Remember Colo]

I agree with the overall points everyone is making, and even think for offsides there should be more margin of error built into the system - false precision is an issue I get annoyed with in all walks of life. But, I disagree with the pretense that fans and clubs would be more accepting of human error in absence of VAR. HD and now 4K quality tv, combined with social media, 24 sports news, etc. already led to outrageous levels of scrutiny of every call - long before the introduction of VAR, and it feels like VAR has just been an easier lightning rod to blame, and anytime you layer on a new additional process and it still fails, the more criticism it'll (rightfully) generate.

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VAR just hasn't been worth the trade off and the game is worse off for it imo. Any level-headed fan would have told you that decisions even themselves over the course of a season. It's unquestionably taken the joy out of celebrating a goal as everything now has to be reviewed - for the ref to then spend minutes in some cases trying to find fault.

[beatski]

VAR just hasn't been worth the trade off and the game is worse off for it imo. Any level-headed fan would have told you that decisions even themselves over the course of a season. It's unquestionably taken the joy out of celebrating a goal as everything now has to be reviewed - for the ref to then spend minutes in some cases trying to find fault.

They definitely don't though. I remember the table Vs the 'table if the correct calls were made' comparisons

[Colly]

VAR just hasn't been worth the trade off and the game is worse off for it imo. Any level-headed fan would have told you that decisions even themselves over the course of a season. It's unquestionably taken the joy out of celebrating a goal as everything now has to be reviewed - for the ref to then spend minutes in some cases trying to find fault.

They definitely don't though. I remember the table Vs the 'table if the correct calls were made' comparisons

I've never seen one of these. I've seen biased ones put together by fans who conveniently forget the ones in their favour, and I've seen the "if there's no VAR" table (which isn't the same as "correct"), but surely what you're describing doesn't exist? What's a correct decision?

[beatski]

They definitely don't though. I remember the table Vs the 'table if the correct calls were made' comparisons

I've never seen one of these. I've seen biased ones put together by fans who conveniently forget the ones in their favour, and I've seen the "if there's no VAR" table (which isn't the same as "correct"), but surely what you're describing doesn't exist? What's a correct decision?

well i remember seeing them. Thinking about it, it will have had to be incorrect offside calls resulting in goals

[Cal]

I've never seen one of these. I've seen biased ones put together by fans who conveniently forget the ones in their favour, and I've seen the "if there's no VAR" table (which isn't the same as "correct"), but surely what you're describing doesn't exist? What's a correct decision?

well i remember seeing them. Thinking about it, it will have had to be incorrect offside calls resulting in goals

I hope they didn't use lines to determine what was or was not offside

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I've never seen one of these. I've seen biased ones put together by fans who conveniently forget the ones in their favour, and I've seen the "if there's no VAR" table (which isn't the same as "correct"), but surely what you're describing doesn't exist? What's a correct decision?

well i remember seeing them. Thinking about it, it will have had to be incorrect offside calls resulting in goals

But that just conflates in-game decisions and match outcomes.

[beatski]

well i remember seeing them. Thinking about it, it will have had to be incorrect offside calls resulting in goals

But that just conflates in-game decisions and match outcomes.

Incorrecrly awarder/ruled out goals are pretty major in game decisions that affect match outcomes though.

It's never going to be definitive proof that things don't even out, but it's got more weight behind it than 'they average out over the course of the season just because'. I remember there being some pretty big swings for some clubs, and the top teams getting more benefit of the doubt than average (which probably won't come as a surprise)

[originallad]

Chelsea losing 3 nil to Arsenal. Good for our Euro chances.

[beatski]

We want 6!

[bodacious benny]

People behind me in FPL have White and Havertz ( I don’t)