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Re: Euro 2024 chat

Post by bodacious benny » Tue Jul 09, 2024 9:39 am

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I do wonder what Graham Potter is holding out for.
I don't think he'd be in the running for a 'top' job, but if a West Ham level job (I know they went for Lopetegui) came up you'd think he'd be in the mix. He's probably too good for a relegation level club. Or maybe he'll happily work in Europe again.
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Re: Euro 2024 chat

Post by lassassinblanc » Tue Jul 09, 2024 9:55 am

Am I the only one not amazed by Ivan Toney and him not looking at the ball when taking a penalty?...I mean surely a professional footballer should know how to kick a stationary ball without looking at it???
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Re: Euro 2024 chat

Post by Colly » Tue Jul 09, 2024 10:10 am

lassassinblanc wrote:
Tue Jul 09, 2024 9:55 am
Am I the only one not amazed by Ivan Toney and him not looking at the ball when taking a penalty?...I mean surely a professional footballer should know how to kick a stationary ball without looking at it???
That was my first thought, but I suppose the difference is between a ball you're in possession of and a dead ball? With a run up realistically you need to look. I played last night and I still can't decide...

Definitely gains him an advantage though, keeper can't go early so if he hits anywhere near the corner it's in.

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Re: Euro 2024 chat

Post by lassassinblanc » Tue Jul 09, 2024 10:35 am

Colly wrote:
Tue Jul 09, 2024 10:10 am
lassassinblanc wrote:
Tue Jul 09, 2024 9:55 am
Am I the only one not amazed by Ivan Toney and him not looking at the ball when taking a penalty?...I mean surely a professional footballer should know how to kick a stationary ball without looking at it???
That was my first thought, but I suppose the difference is between a ball you're in possession of and a dead ball? With a run up realistically you need to look. I played last night and I still can't decide...

Definitely gains him an advantage though, keeper can't go early so if he hits anywhere near the corner it's in.
I get if he had a big run up but he didn't, I played at a professional level myself and can do it, OK the accuracy he got impressive but as said any professional should be able to kick a stationary ball if they know where it is and be able to direct it.

It definitely tricks the keeper as majority of keepers look at the players foot when they drop their head to see the position of their foot which will determine how and where it will go.
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Re: Euro 2024 chat

Post by FOGGONTHETYNE » Tue Jul 09, 2024 4:46 pm

If I tried to kick the ball without looking at it i would most likely miss it altogether and fall over

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Re: Euro 2024 chat

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If I tried to kick the ball without looking at it i would most likely miss it altogether and fall over
I'd probably kick myself
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Re: Euro 2024 chat

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Colback's Orange Tufts wrote:
Tue Jul 09, 2024 5:09 pm
FOGGONTHETYNE wrote:
Tue Jul 09, 2024 4:46 pm
If I tried to kick the ball without looking at it i would most likely miss it altogether and fall over
I'd probably kick myself
...but then while still on the deck and the keeper on his back laughing i'd tap it in with my left <applause>

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Re: Euro 2024 chat

Post by bodacious benny » Tue Jul 09, 2024 7:42 pm

Some young kid playing on the right for Spain might solve our RW issue…Yamal something…must be cheap as he’s only 16 <laugh>
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Re: Euro 2024 chat

Post by Colback's Orange Tufts » Tue Jul 09, 2024 8:16 pm

bodacious benny wrote:
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Some young kid playing on the right for Spain might solve our RW issue…Yamal something…must be cheap as he’s only 16 <laugh>
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Mbappe is so selfish
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Post by seaside nipper » Tue Jul 09, 2024 8:57 pm

Viva Espana !
Only good thing so far about this dire tournament
Oh and giruy Mbappe.
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Post by Don Sholeone » Tue Jul 09, 2024 8:59 pm

Spain have looked really good this tournament, I don't think we beat Netherlands tomorrow, but if Southgate manages to Mr. Magoo his way out of it once again then I think we get dismantled by the Spanish.

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Post by bodacious benny » Tue Jul 09, 2024 9:44 pm

Don Sholeone wrote:
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Spain have looked really good this tournament, I don't think we beat Netherlands tomorrow, but if Southgate manages to Mr. Magoo his way out of it once again then I think we get dismantled by the Spanish.
I was banking on a Spain win tonight for that reason.

Dutch have gotten better as the tournament has progressed but I’d say it’s pretty even tomorrow, but Spain should (and deserve to) win the final regardless.
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Post by FOGGONTHETYNE » Tue Jul 09, 2024 10:31 pm

Yeah spain for me to win it, would be such a contrast of styles they play with a swagger and high tempo with a beliief in their own abilities, we look nervous and devoid of ideas and if a player has the audacity to play a forward pass they recieve a scowl off safegate and next time pass it siideways or backwards and are rewarded with a thumbs up by the over-cautious one, who to be fair has the team playing in his own image...very dull, very boring and zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

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Post by Don Sholeone » Wed Jul 10, 2024 10:32 am

I remember in one of the warm up games I think it was Walker played a quick through ball through to one of the forwards and the camera cut to Southgate telling him to slow down. For me it's proof that the style and the slow defensive play is all by design by Southgate.

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Post by Colly » Wed Jul 10, 2024 10:41 am

Presumably Gordon trying to beat his man for pace and playing that through ball are the reasons he hasn't kicked a ball since.

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Re: Euro 2024 chat

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Colly wrote:
Wed Jul 10, 2024 10:41 am
Presumably Gordon trying to beat his man for pace and playing that through ball are the reasons he hasn't kicked a ball since.
Apparently Southgate thinks he will occasionally lose the ball hence too risky.

Just ignore all the times Kane and Foden have lost the ball, for some reason it isn't the same
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Re: Euro 2024 chat

Post by Don Sholeone » Wed Jul 10, 2024 11:06 am

Honestly don't think it's very far from the truth, I think Gordon's direct style is why he doesn't play, I think potentially he's not showing in training that he can effectively play a slower game. I think similar with Bowen who again is pretty direct.

Eze when he's played hasn't shown any of the explosiveness that he does at Palace, he's pretty reserved in games, same with Bellingham.

I think Palmer isn't starting because again he's a direct player. Likely that his game time has been boosted by the calls to actually play him, I think he finds himself in Gordon's position without that pressure from the pundits/media,bits proven Southgate listens to them as he threw Saka in at LB soon as a couple of ex pros mentioned it.

Foden style wise can do both, Cities style often calls for them to be patient on the ball and wait for the opening by the opposition.

I've no doubt left in my mind that England are performing exactly as Southgate has intended.

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Re: Euro 2024 chat

Post by seaside nipper » Wed Jul 10, 2024 11:19 am

Don Sholeone wrote:
Wed Jul 10, 2024 10:32 am
I remember in one of the warm up games I think it was Walker played a quick through ball through to one of the forwards and the camera cut to Southgate telling him to slow down. For me it's proof that the style and the slow defensive play is all by design by Southgate.
This ^^^

Heard some media programme recently about Southgate and his approach to tournaments. Apparently he admires great leaders from history Napoleon, Nelson etc. and their battle strategy. He loves the historic records and likens his style in campaigns to one of attrition , suffocating, wear down the opposition with a stout , robust non risk approach.
Well he’s certainly emanating some the great battle strategists from history. It’s really grim stuff
So future history books may well tell of the great battle strategists Napoleon , Nelson, Wellington , Montgomery, now Southgate 😦
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