Re: Matchday thread - Toon v Chelski ( Part 2)
Posted: Wed Oct 30, 2024 10:13 pm
A home tie please. take on anyone at SJP
Reality’s an away Liverpool, odds on
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Re: Matchday thread - Toon v Chelski ( Part 2)
Posted: Wed Oct 30, 2024 10:15 pm
Best case Southampton at home with Arsenal and Liverpool drawing each other
Re: Matchday thread - Toon v Chelski ( Part 2)
Posted: Wed Oct 30, 2024 10:21 pm
Exactly, we just cannot beat liverpool
Re: Matchday thread - Toon v Chelski ( Part 2)
Posted: Wed Oct 30, 2024 10:43 pm
Brentford at home, come on 
Re: Matchday thread - Toon v Chelski ( Part 2)
Posted: Wed Oct 30, 2024 10:48 pm
Coming home it's coming home
Re: Matchday thread - Toon v Chelski ( Part 2)
Posted: Wed Oct 30, 2024 10:49 pm
Rednap and the Cabbage Patch kid certainly did us a solid there.
Bravo
Bravo
Re: Matchday thread - Toon v Chelski ( Part 2)
Posted: Thu Oct 31, 2024 6:14 am
Why not? Team looked so much better and some of the players playing recently haven’t performed.FOGGONTHETYNE wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2024 9:48 pmAgainst arsenal?... Not sure about that matebodacious benny wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2024 9:44 pmFor me Kelly and Longstaff should keep their place after tonight, good argument for Krafth too as Tino has been off the pace at RB,.
Re: Matchday thread - Toon v Chelski ( Part 2)
Posted: Thu Oct 31, 2024 8:31 am
I'd keep Burn in, Kelly looked solid and made some good blocks but there were some shaky moments and as I keep repeating Burn has had a good season so far.
Definitely have Longstaff in though, even if just to allow Joelinton to play higher up again and shithouse Arsenal's defense. I'd fully accept him getting his booking on Saturday as long as he scares the s*** out of them.
I'd be very tempted by Krafth too, but I don't think there's much between them. Krafth is so steady away, doesn't make mistakes and does the right things at the right time, but Tino does carry that little bit more threat. It's just whether it's risky against Arsenal, that run inside started the goal against Chelsea at the weekend but also leaves us vulnerable if he isn't covered properly.
Great performance last night, far more balanced and the press was excellent. I think we do lose a bit from Gordon moving across, but it's a lesser evil when he isn't that productive at the moment anyway and his touch is still a bit off. Glad to see Schar can win a coin toss too, get that captaincy passed on...
Definitely have Longstaff in though, even if just to allow Joelinton to play higher up again and shithouse Arsenal's defense. I'd fully accept him getting his booking on Saturday as long as he scares the s*** out of them.
I'd be very tempted by Krafth too, but I don't think there's much between them. Krafth is so steady away, doesn't make mistakes and does the right things at the right time, but Tino does carry that little bit more threat. It's just whether it's risky against Arsenal, that run inside started the goal against Chelsea at the weekend but also leaves us vulnerable if he isn't covered properly.
Great performance last night, far more balanced and the press was excellent. I think we do lose a bit from Gordon moving across, but it's a lesser evil when he isn't that productive at the moment anyway and his touch is still a bit off. Glad to see Schar can win a coin toss too, get that captaincy passed on...
Re: Matchday thread - Toon v Chelski ( Part 2)
Posted: Thu Oct 31, 2024 9:11 am
Midfield is much more balanced with Longstaff and Willock in.
Trying to shoehorn Bruno and Tonali into the same team reminds me of the Lampard, Gerrard and Scholes debacle. They both want to play the same role and do the same thing and neither can offer what Longstaff and Willock bring to the team. They're by far both better footballers than Longstaff and Willock but collectively as a midfield we're better off only playing one of them and the results back that up.
Also the link up of Joelinton LW and Willock left of the midfield 3 was a massive factor in finishing 4th the other year. They have a great understanding and chemistry together, they're able to interchange positions seamlessly causing defenders headaches and they're great at pressing together. It's worth pushing Gordon out to the right to have the Joelinton / Willock combination on the left. And it solves the problem at RW becuase Gordon is more than capable there.
If you were picking a front 6, these wouldn't be the best 6 individuals but as a collective team it's by far the most effective combination and hopefully one that we'll see a lot of.
Longstaff - Bruno (or Tonali) - Willock
Gordon - Isak - Joelinton
Trying to shoehorn Bruno and Tonali into the same team reminds me of the Lampard, Gerrard and Scholes debacle. They both want to play the same role and do the same thing and neither can offer what Longstaff and Willock bring to the team. They're by far both better footballers than Longstaff and Willock but collectively as a midfield we're better off only playing one of them and the results back that up.
Also the link up of Joelinton LW and Willock left of the midfield 3 was a massive factor in finishing 4th the other year. They have a great understanding and chemistry together, they're able to interchange positions seamlessly causing defenders headaches and they're great at pressing together. It's worth pushing Gordon out to the right to have the Joelinton / Willock combination on the left. And it solves the problem at RW becuase Gordon is more than capable there.
If you were picking a front 6, these wouldn't be the best 6 individuals but as a collective team it's by far the most effective combination and hopefully one that we'll see a lot of.
Longstaff - Bruno (or Tonali) - Willock
Gordon - Isak - Joelinton
Re: Matchday thread - Toon v Chelski ( Part 2)
Posted: Thu Oct 31, 2024 9:56 am
I'd agree with that actually, though Willock was done by half time yesterday so will still need tweaking second half. Logically that would be simply bringing Barnes on for impact and dropping Joelinton into midfield.
Not sure it solves RW though, moving our (on paper) best attacking threat bar Isak out of position, but it is a decent sticking plaster for now.
Not sure it solves RW though, moving our (on paper) best attacking threat bar Isak out of position, but it is a decent sticking plaster for now.
Re: Matchday thread - Toon v Chelski ( Part 2)
Posted: Thu Oct 31, 2024 9:58 am
I had exactly the same thought the other day actually, and fully agree. I think we do need to look at what's best for the team as a whole,r ather than just play the "best" players. Obviously other aspects in terms of man management come into play. But even rotating Bruno/Tonali has to be seen as an option, when the "best three" midfield just hasn't been clicking at all this season.TJR wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2024 9:11 amMidfield is much more balanced with Longstaff and Willock in.
Trying to shoehorn Bruno and Tonali into the same team reminds me of the Lampard, Gerrard and Scholes debacle. They both want to play the same role and do the same thing and neither can offer what Longstaff and Willock bring to the team. They're by far both better footballers than Longstaff and Willock but collectively as a midfield we're better off only playing one of them and the results back that up.
Also the link up of Joelinton LW and Willock left of the midfield 3 was a massive factor in finishing 4th the other year. They have a great understanding and chemistry together, they're able to interchange positions seamlessly causing defenders headaches and they're great at pressing together. It's worth pushing Gordon out to the right to have the Joelinton / Willock combination on the left. And it solves the problem at RW becuase Gordon is more than capable there.
If you were picking a front 6, these wouldn't be the best 6 individuals but as a collective team it's by far the most effective combination and hopefully one that we'll see a lot of.
Longstaff - Bruno (or Tonali) - Willock
Gordon - Isak - Joelinton
Re: Matchday thread - Toon v Chelski ( Part 2)
Posted: Thu Oct 31, 2024 11:14 am
I wonder if Howe feels a bit backed into a corner about playing Bruno all the time, he's now the captain, and with Tripper also out then the captaincy would have to drop down to Burn who's 4th choice probably (behind Lascelles if he was fit/playing). Not saying Bruno should be the one to make way for a more balanced midfield as he's one of our best players, but maybe it comes into it and keeping him happy.
Re: Matchday thread - Toon v Chelski ( Part 2)
Posted: Thu Oct 31, 2024 12:50 pm
Perhaps not against arsenal, but you could try a bruno/longstaff/tonali midfield with Joelinton on the left? It might work
Re: Matchday thread - Toon v Chelski ( Part 2)
Posted: Thu Oct 31, 2024 1:02 pm
This. Well said.TJR wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2024 9:11 amMidfield is much more balanced with Longstaff and Willock in.
Trying to shoehorn Bruno and Tonali into the same team reminds me of the Lampard, Gerrard and Scholes debacle. They both want to play the same role and do the same thing and neither can offer what Longstaff and Willock bring to the team. They're by far both better footballers than Longstaff and Willock but collectively as a midfield we're better off only playing one of them and the results back that up.
Also the link up of Joelinton LW and Willock left of the midfield 3 was a massive factor in finishing 4th the other year. They have a great understanding and chemistry together, they're able to interchange positions seamlessly causing defenders headaches and they're great at pressing together. It's worth pushing Gordon out to the right to have the Joelinton / Willock combination on the left. And it solves the problem at RW becuase Gordon is more than capable there.
If you were picking a front 6, these wouldn't be the best 6 individuals but as a collective team it's by far the most effective combination and hopefully one that we'll see a lot of.
Longstaff - Bruno (or Tonali) - Willock
Gordon - Isak - Joelinton
Re: Matchday thread - Toon v Chelski ( Part 2)
Posted: Thu Oct 31, 2024 1:07 pm
quite surprised at all this love towards longstaff, obviously i''m just an armchair fan these days but do know aa lot of st holders who tell me no-one gets more stick from the fans during the match than staffy 
Re: Matchday thread - Toon v Chelski ( Part 2)
Posted: Thu Oct 31, 2024 1:21 pm
He's unfashionable, and obviously he's not at the standard of a Bruno or a Joelinton, but just like Krafth for the most part he does what he does well. Last night he added balance to the midfield, winning the ball well which helped us control the middle of the park which we haven't done well in ages, and was able to go properly box to box throughout. He's a body in the right place so often which we lack when it's Bruno and Tonali.FOGGONTHETYNE wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2024 1:07 pmquite surprised at all this love towards longstaff, obviously i''m just an armchair fan these days but do know aa lot of st holders who tell me no-one gets more stick from the fans during the match than staffy
Obviously he's an easy target for our dimmer fans, not everyone is a superstar and he isn't perfect, but he's a perfectly decent player.
Re: Matchday thread - Toon v Chelski ( Part 2)
Posted: Thu Oct 31, 2024 1:25 pm
never been my cup of tea like, misplaced passes, losing possession, wayward shots into row z.....apart from that he's ok.Colly wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2024 1:21 pmHe's unfashionable, and obviously he's not at the standard of a Bruno or a Joelinton, but just like Krafth for the most part he does what he does well. Last night he added balance to the midfield, winning the ball well which helped us control the middle of the park which we haven't done well in ages, and was able to go properly box to box throughout. He's a body in the right place so often which we lack when it's Bruno and Tonali.FOGGONTHETYNE wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2024 1:07 pmquite surprised at all this love towards longstaff, obviously i''m just an armchair fan these days but do know aa lot of st holders who tell me no-one gets more stick from the fans during the match than staffy
Obviously he's an easy target for our dimmer fans, not everyone is a superstar and he isn't perfect, but he's a perfectly decent player.
Re: Matchday thread - Toon v Chelski ( Part 2)
Posted: Thu Oct 31, 2024 1:49 pm
I'll forgive his wayward finishing as he at least comes onto the ball in dangerous positions often enough a few still go in. But it's abysmal passing that really holds him back in my books. I'll admit he breaks up play in our half okay, and doesn't make stupid passes near our box, but it's how cheaply he gives the ball away in the opposition's half that play seems to break down a lot more when he's on the field.FOGGONTHETYNE wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2024 1:25 pmnever been my cup of tea like, misplaced passes, losing possession, wayward shots into row z.....apart from that he's ok.Colly wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2024 1:21 pm
He's unfashionable, and obviously he's not at the standard of a Bruno or a Joelinton, but just like Krafth for the most part he does what he does well. Last night he added balance to the midfield, winning the ball well which helped us control the middle of the park which we haven't done well in ages, and was able to go properly box to box throughout. He's a body in the right place so often which we lack when it's Bruno and Tonali.
Obviously he's an easy target for our dimmer fans, not everyone is a superstar and he isn't perfect, but he's a perfectly decent player.
Re: Matchday thread - Toon v Chelski ( Part 2)
Posted: Thu Oct 31, 2024 1:58 pm
Do we have anyone in the squad (Schar and maybe Trippier aside) who can shoot from any kind of distance? Gordon and Barnes both have that cut in edge of the box curler, but not a single one of our centre mids can hit a long ranger. Tonali hit a decent-ish one yesterday but it wasn't on the highlights so not sure how close it was, but it certainly had a lot more power than a Bruno floater.
Re: Matchday thread - Toon v Chelski ( Part 2)
Posted: Thu Oct 31, 2024 2:23 pm
babyface hall has a decent shot on him like, unfortunately they're always blocked but one day he'll hit top binsColly wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2024 1:58 pmDo we have anyone in the squad (Schar and maybe Trippier aside) who can shoot from any kind of distance? Gordon and Barnes both have that cut in edge of the box curler, but not a single one of our centre mids can hit a long ranger. Tonali hit a decent-ish one yesterday but it wasn't on the highlights so not sure how close it was, but it certainly had a lot more power than a Bruno floater.