Siem De Jong possibly out until after Christmas

[tomtom94]

It's quite a shame that after all the positivity regarding those summer signings, our first-choice XI for the next few months is now quite a bit weaker than what we we're able to put out last season with the likes of Remy and Cabaye.

Sorry, I agree with you but found the choice of words hilarious.

[overseasTOON]

DeJong
BeGone
ForLong… (er)

Reported that he'll be out for at least another eight weeks.

[Goat]

We've bought a dud. No wonder he was so cheap.

[Smudger]

We've bought a dud. No wonder he was so cheap.

Averaged 40 games a season over the last 5 years.

[Smudger]

Another 8 weeks means he's not out for any longer than expected, the title of the article says "until after Christmas", which he's still on course for. Possibly earlier, in fact.

[Remember Colo]

We've bought a dud. No wonder he was so cheap.

Averaged 40 games a season over the last 5 years.

This. Talk about a knee-jerk response. 1 + 1 =/= 3

[Goat]

We've bought a dud. No wonder he was so cheap.

Averaged 40 games a season over the last 5 years.

And was out for half of his last Ajax season with a recurring groin problem which manifested itself again when he joined us. He then got a long-term thigh problem almost immediately after he recovered from that.

Ajax either knew something we don't, or it's just a very bad coincidence that it's all came along at once. I still personally believe that £6mill for the Ajax captain was unusually cheap.

[Smudger]

Averaged 40 games a season over the last 5 years.

And was out for half of his last Ajax season with a recurring groin problem which manifested itself again when he joined us. He then got a long-term thigh problem almost immediately after he recovered from that.

Ajax either knew something we don't, or it's just a very bad coincidence that it's all came along at once. I still personally believe that £6mill for the Ajax captain was unusually cheap.

He had one year left on his contract and clearly wanted the move. And of course, the Dutch league isn't in a great financial position.

He had a collapsed lung, a thigh injury and then the hamstring. Injury history hardly suggests he's injury prone, just one unfortunate season: http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/siem-de- ... eler/45509" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[Goat]

And was out for half of his last Ajax season with a recurring groin problem which manifested itself again when he joined us. He then got a long-term thigh problem almost immediately after he recovered from that.

Ajax either knew something we don't, or it's just a very bad coincidence that it's all came along at once. I still personally believe that £6mill for the Ajax captain was unusually cheap.

He had one year left on his contract and clearly wanted the move. And of course, the Dutch league isn't in a great financial position.

He had a collapsed lung, a thigh injury and then the hamstring. Injury history hardly suggests he's injury prone, just one unfortunate season: http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/siem-de- ... eler/45509" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Being injury prone doesn't necessarily mean that he's had to have injury problems for years and years. He is only 25. Problems can manifest themselves later on.

If he's out until the end of this year (which is looking likely), then that means he would have had a handful of appearances since November 2013, which is 13 months and possibly beyond. I'm not even including the collapsed lung in that as it's an internal issue and isn't necessarily related to being injury prone, but if we include that too, then it stretches to August 2013, which is 14/15 months.

Just look at the stats you posted:

Collapsed lung for 31 days
Unknown injury for 32 days (2 months later)
Thigh strain for 12 days (1 month later)
Hamstring for 45 days (1 month later)
Missed world cup due to injury (1 month later)
Thigh strain for 48+ days (3 appearances after he joined us)

It's 12-14 months of persistent injuries, and in multiple occasions he's barely played a few games before he gets injured again. It might just be bad luck, but it it's a concerning sign.

[Smudger]

Injury prone players tend to get the same injury over and over because it hasnt healed properly in the first place though, and he's had several different injuries. Also, I'm pretty sure he didnt go to the world cup because he was still not 100% from the previous injury, not that he'd picked up a new one. And partly because he simply wasnt selected because there were better options.

It may be the case that he's developing a series of injuries because he is becoming injury prone, but I dont think it's fair to write him off when there's not enough evidence to prove it. Its still entirely possible that he's just having a bad spell.

[Goat]

Injury prone players tend to get the same injury over and over because it hasnt healed properly in the first place though, and he's had several different injuries.

Not really. Some players do have the same recurring problem, but others don't. Some are just inherently more fragile. Look at Saylor for example, who has had groin, calf, achilles tendon and hamstring injuries.

Also, I'm pretty sure he didnt go to the world cup because he was still not 100% from the previous injury, not that he'd picked up a new one. And partly because he simply wasnt selected because there were better options.

Well when he came to Newcastle he was already injured and missed the first few games of our season, so that's either from the injury which kept him out of the World Cup, or it's from an injury which happened after it during the summer break. Either way, he got injured again.

It may be the case that he's developing a series of injuries because he is becoming injury prone, but I dont think it's fair to write him off when there's not enough evidence to prove it. Its still entirely possible that he's just having a bad spell.

Perhaps my comment "we've bought a dud" was a little too definitive as I have no evidence that this is the case, but it concerns me that it is, that's all.

[Guest]

His injury problem is a cronut

[davidbrown]

What's the deal with this guy? Is he injury prone? I was really looking forward to seeing him play this season. He looks like a real leader and a strong and mature personality. I think our squad can look like a team of pussies without people like him -- god, we need tiote so much.

[Remember Colo]

Injury prone players tend to get the same injury over and over because it hasnt healed properly in the first place though, and he's had several different injuries.

Not really. Some players do have the same recurring problem, but others don't. Some are just inherently more fragile. Look at Saylor for example, who has had groin, calf, achilles tendon and hamstring injuries.

Also, I'm pretty sure he didnt go to the world cup because he was still not 100% from the previous injury, not that he'd picked up a new one. And partly because he simply wasnt selected because there were better options.

Well when he came to Newcastle he was already injured and missed the first few games of our season, so that's either from the injury which kept him out of the World Cup, or it's from an injury which happened after it during the summer break. Either way, he got injured again.

It may be the case that he's developing a series of injuries because he is becoming injury prone, but I dont think it's fair to write him off when there's not enough evidence to prove it. Its still entirely possible that he's just having a bad spell.

Perhaps my comment "we've bought a dud" was a little too definitive as I have no evidence that this is the case, but it concerns me that it is, that's all.

If I remember correctly he arrived healthy and played our first few pre-season matches before getting injured.

I will admit that he's a huge loss right now, and it looks like he won't reflect good value this season. But I don't think the price we paid for him is a reflection of injury proneness, but that he only had one season left, and because he was injured for much of last season there wasn't a strong market for him.

[Goat]

Not really. Some players do have the same recurring problem, but others don't. Some are just inherently more fragile. Look at Saylor for example, who has had groin, calf, achilles tendon and hamstring injuries.



Well when he came to Newcastle he was already injured and missed the first few games of our season, so that's either from the injury which kept him out of the World Cup, or it's from an injury which happened after it during the summer break. Either way, he got injured again.


Perhaps my comment "we've bought a dud" was a little too definitive as I have no evidence that this is the case, but it concerns me that it is, that's all.

If I remember correctly he arrived healthy and played our first few pre-season matches before getting injured.

I will admit that he's a huge loss right now, and it looks like he won't reflect good value this season. But I don't think the price we paid for him is a reflection of injury proneness, but that he only had one season left, and because he was injured for much of last season there wasn't a strong market for him.

You may be right regarding the pre-season, which means that he got re-injured once again and it wasn't a continuation from the WC injury.

Clubs aren't psychic and they can't tell if a player is injury prone or whether it's just bad luck (look at Madrid buying Woodgate), but I do think that clubs can sell the player cheaper if they start to have growing concerns that he might be. I know the Dutch market is generally a fair bit cheaper, but £6mill seems unusually low. The guy was the young Ajax captain and an integral part of their team. Meanwhile, players like Blind and Vertonghen go for £13.8 and £12million respectively.

I'm not saying it's the entire factor, but it may be a contributing one.

[Toondes]

So, is he injury prone or not?

[Dr. Bishop]

So, is he injury prone or not?

Poll time?

[Yacob]

I don't think he's injury prone, just poorly managed throughout pre season and rushed back too quickly for Palace game.

[beatski]

i seem to recall that pardew rushed him back, and then he was reinjured
(which has happened with pardew before )

[bodacious benny]

i seem to recall that pardew rushed him back, and then he was reinjured
(which has happened with pardew before )