RAFA Future
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RAFA Future
I really hate making this but...
It seems like it could be only a matter of time before Rafa is gone
It seems like it could be only a matter of time before Rafa is gone
I'll Hazard a guess
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Re: RAFA Future
There is no sin except stupidity.
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If he wants to leave then he should. I’ve heard very little from him in many weeks apart from excuses and I’m annoyed as a fan of being used as collateral by him to re-iterate to the footballing world why he continues in his role. I’m sure £5 million per annum also helps him stay or is it really just he likes hearing us sing his name?
The club was restructured to allow him to be the manager, rather than a coach and many other day to day functions were included in his remit; on his demand.
To that extent, HE identified the targets for this window and it seems that some were simply unattainable through either our lack of funds or the clubs perceived status as a relegation contender; irrespective of how ever Rafa perceives his reputation and thinks players will swoon to play for him.
Let’s also be brutally clear on this. We can always find another manager to oversee our current hoofball tactics. As a ‘tactician’ or whatever he’s labelled as by footballing scribes, we’ve seen nigh on bugger all of this during his tenure so why should we fear losing him?
At the end of the day; Rafa’s s*** stinks too and he has to take some of the blame for the failings.
The club was restructured to allow him to be the manager, rather than a coach and many other day to day functions were included in his remit; on his demand.
To that extent, HE identified the targets for this window and it seems that some were simply unattainable through either our lack of funds or the clubs perceived status as a relegation contender; irrespective of how ever Rafa perceives his reputation and thinks players will swoon to play for him.
Let’s also be brutally clear on this. We can always find another manager to oversee our current hoofball tactics. As a ‘tactician’ or whatever he’s labelled as by footballing scribes, we’ve seen nigh on bugger all of this during his tenure so why should we fear losing him?
At the end of the day; Rafa’s s*** stinks too and he has to take some of the blame for the failings.
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overseasTOON wrote:If he wants to leave then he should. I’ve heard very little from him in many weeks apart from excuses and I’m annoyed as a fan of being used as collateral by him to re-iterate to the footballing world why he continues in his role. I’m sure £5 million per annum also helps him stay or is it really just he likes hearing us sing his name?
The club was restructured to allow him to be the manager, rather than a coach and many other day to day functions were included in his remit; on his demand.
To that extent, HE identified the targets for this window and it seems that some were simply unattainable through either our lack of funds or the clubs perceived status as a relegation contender; irrespective of how ever Rafa perceives his reputation and thinks players will swoon to play for him.
Let’s also be brutally clear on this. We can always find another manager to oversee our current hoofball tactics. As a ‘tactician’ or whatever he’s labelled as by footballing scribes, we’ve seen nigh on bugger all of this during his tenure so why should we fear losing him?
At the end of the day; Rafa’s s*** stinks too and he has to take some of the blame for the failings.
He could go all Gus Poyet and take a massive s*** on the dressing room floor and our fans wouldn't think he'd done anything wrong.
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What do you mean by the poll? Like what do we want or what will happen? As it's pretty obvious what the majority want and obvious we won't be sold any time soon either
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I knew Alf would be all over this and, whilst I agree that not everything Rafa touches turns to gold (burn him ) who do people actually expect we'll go for next?ALF wrote:overseasTOON wrote:At the end of the day; Rafa’s s*** stinks too and he has to take some of the blame for the failings.
He could go all Gus Poyet and take a massive s*** on the dressing room floor and our fans wouldn't think he'd done anything wrong.
This, whether you want to love Rafa or not, is our best chance of doing anything.
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It's not our best chance if Rafa is seemingly half hearted about the squad and the season ahead.TBC wrote:I knew Alf would be all over this and, whilst I agree that not everything Rafa touches turns to gold (burn him ) who do people actually expect we'll go for next?ALF wrote:
He could go all Gus Poyet and take a massive s*** on the dressing room floor and our fans wouldn't think he'd done anything wrong.
This, whether you want to love Rafa or not, is our best chance of doing anything.
He's a manager. He should manage to the best of his ability with what he has or walk away.
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One of my fears is though. That, money constraints aside, he brought in Joselu, Lejeune and Manquillo. Spanish players he could work with and develop. We lose Rafa and we bring in a McLaren or Pardew and there's three of our summer signings f***ed. Positive spin - potentially f***ed.
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So if we'd hired a ginger manager, Colback would be world class?originallad wrote:One of my fears is though. That, money constraints aside, he brought in Joselu, Lejeune and Manquillo. Spanish players he could work with and develop. We lose Rafa and we bring in a McLaren or Pardew and there's three of our summer signings f***ed. Positive spin - potentially f***ed.
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Im quite surprised The Guardian published that. It contains no factually based evidence to support the story. Not even one statement or reference to a source. s*** stirring at its bestThere's No Shola, Where's the Talent? wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/football/20 ... y-west-ham
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Rafa will in all likelihood leave at the end of the season imo regardless of what happens to us.
I'm the scumbag outlaw. You're the pillar of justice. Neither of us like looking at ourselves in the mirror. Do we have a deal?
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I agree.Bodacious Benny wrote:Rafa will in all likelihood leave at the end of the season imo regardless of what happens to us.
I honestly think though that he hasn't been truly short changed on promises of having the money to spend but the club was within its rights to ask for the squad to be culled before new signings came in.
Let's not forget that the way we do transfers for incoming players is rather unique in terms that we pay up front rather than stagger the payments.
This recent window wasn't favourable at all to that methodology and we struggled.
Perhaps we may change and follow the industry norm? If we do so than Rafa or whomever takes his role has a great war chest IF we stay up.
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This.Bodacious Benny wrote:Rafa will in all likelihood leave at the end of the season imo regardless of what happens to us.
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This was the second transfer window in a row that he has felt he hasn't been properly backed though.overseasTOON wrote:I agree.Bodacious Benny wrote:Rafa will in all likelihood leave at the end of the season imo regardless of what happens to us.
I honestly think though that he hasn't been truly short changed on promises of having the money to spend but the club was within its rights to ask for the squad to be culled before new signings came in.
Let's not forget that the way we do transfers for incoming players is rather unique in terms that we pay up front rather than stagger the payments.
This recent window wasn't favourable at all to that methodology and we struggled.
Perhaps we may change and follow the industry norm? If we do so than Rafa or whomever takes his role has a great war chest IF we stay up.
None of us know what Ashley promised Benitez in order for him to stay but Rafa was clearly sold on the potential of our club and now feels like that isn't there anymore.
Ashley has tried to run the club like a business for over a decade now and has failed miserably because football clubs aren't like Sports Direct. He should either give Benitez more backing or sell up because what he has been doing and what he is doing isn't working for anyone.
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I'm actually totally agree with himMifune wrote:This was the second transfer window in a row that he has felt he hasn't been properly backed though.overseasTOON wrote:
I agree.
I honestly think though that he hasn't been truly short changed on promises of having the money to spend but the club was within its rights to ask for the squad to be culled before new signings came in.
Let's not forget that the way we do transfers for incoming players is rather unique in terms that we pay up front rather than stagger the payments.
This recent window wasn't favourable at all to that methodology and we struggled.
Perhaps we may change and follow the industry norm? If we do so than Rafa or whomever takes his role has a great war chest IF we stay up.
None of us know what Ashley promised Benitez in order for him to stay but Rafa was clearly sold on the potential of our club and now feels like that isn't there anymore.
Ashley has tried to run the club like a business for over a decade now and has failed miserably because football clubs aren't like Sports Direct. He should either give Benitez more backing or sell up because what he has been doing and what he is doing isn't working for anyone.
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So Rafa didn't feel he was totally backed in the Championship?Mifune wrote:This was the second transfer window in a row that he has felt he hasn't been properly backed though.overseasTOON wrote:
I agree.
I honestly think though that he hasn't been truly short changed on promises of having the money to spend but the club was within its rights to ask for the squad to be culled before new signings came in.
Let's not forget that the way we do transfers for incoming players is rather unique in terms that we pay up front rather than stagger the payments.
This recent window wasn't favourable at all to that methodology and we struggled.
Perhaps we may change and follow the industry norm? If we do so than Rafa or whomever takes his role has a great war chest IF we stay up.
None of us know what Ashley promised Benitez in order for him to stay but Rafa was clearly sold on the potential of our club and now feels like that isn't there anymore.
Ashley has tried to run the club like a business for over a decade now and has failed miserably because football clubs aren't like Sports Direct. He should either give Benitez more backing or sell up because what he has been doing and what he is doing isn't working for anyone.
What does he actually want? The moon on a stick?
We were one of the biggest spenders. Yes we recouped a lot of money by selling but by Christ that man was backed to the hilt and beyond and that to some extent has been an issue for this window.
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He spent 57million last year on mostly s**** and people are complaining that Ashley won't back him when we've failed to recoup anything on most of them. Could MA have done more? Probably but does the problem lie at his door alone? No.
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100%overseasTOON wrote:So Rafa didn't feel he was totally backed in the Championship?Mifune wrote:
This was the second transfer window in a row that he has felt he hasn't been properly backed though.
None of us know what Ashley promised Benitez in order for him to stay but Rafa was clearly sold on the potential of our club and now feels like that isn't there anymore.
Ashley has tried to run the club like a business for over a decade now and has failed miserably because football clubs aren't like Sports Direct. He should either give Benitez more backing or sell up because what he has been doing and what he is doing isn't working for anyone.
What does he actually want? The moon on a stick?
We were one of the biggest spenders. Yes we recouped a lot of money by selling but by Christ that man was backed to the hilt and beyond and that to some extent has been an issue for this window.
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After the consolidation that he make in the last 16 months among the fan base. And after he drop the pressure of michael ars...head... How dare to want backing in the summer after our promotion? The bastard. He could easily work with the fine gentlemen's collecting through the years, wrongly condemned by someone as "deadwood".
michael proves through the years that he have the know how about the football. Along with the highest ambition of course.
Rafa have absolutely no right to be unhappy. michael always keep his promises and Lee proves himself as one of the best in the business.
michael proves through the years that he have the know how about the football. Along with the highest ambition of course.
Rafa have absolutely no right to be unhappy. michael always keep his promises and Lee proves himself as one of the best in the business.
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Sure, he united the fans by staying on after relegation but he also asked a lot of the ownership structure as part of his agreement to remain.R&B wrote:After the consolidation that he make in the last 16 months among the fan base. And after he drop the pressure of michael ars...head... How dare to want backing in the summer after our promotion? The bastard. He could easily work with the fine gentlemen's collecting through the years, wrongly condemned by someone as "deadwood".
michael proves through the years that he have the know how about the football. Along with the highest ambition of course.
Rafa have absolutely no right to be unhappy. michael always keep his promises and Lee proves himself as one of the best in the business.
The club did change. The club did back him in his first full season in charge.
He was promised every penny the club makes in profit to bolster the squad but here comes the uncomfortable truth.
The club doesn't make that much profit.
We don't have a huge financial clout. We don't have an endless cheque book.
We came up with a large squad with a decent sized majority who likely won't cut it in the top league and they were on decent wages.
I'm not saying the owner and board are blameless in this. Maybe a few extra million could have been found. Maybe transfer policy could have changed.
By all accounts, this didn't happen and at the end of this window we can see that primary targets identified were missed but the reasoning behind it still hasn't been made public.
Maybe we aren't desirable anymore? Perhaps clubs didnt find our offers of up front cash attractive in the rather strange market.
Blame has to be shared equally though from the board to the manager.
The next step has to be, and this is utterly vital; all in charge move forward and work together.
This negative chatter coming from Rafa will only create issues from the board to the playing squad.