Not to defend his defending, but he was the most productive fullback we've had in ages. He led the team in assists the season before the relegation year. He and Colback had 6, then next highest had 2. That side was so short on creativity.Donkey Toon wrote:These, god-awful defender. Wouldn't take him back on a free.The Deluded Pablo Diego Jose Francisco wrote:
This, he had no positional sense whatsoever when defending.
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Should've played him as a winger
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Bodacious Benny wrote:Should've played him as a winger
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You're obviously working on the assumption that MA will still be the owner if we stay up (we're safe imo). I'm not so sure- I think the buying partners may come back with an improved offer if we stay - they will obviously wait until it's mathematically certain. If this happens our spend may be much greater.Colback's Orange Tufts wrote:So, we look almost safe now, this thread is a bit of a risk in case the wheels come off but...
What players from teams that could get relegated you think are solid PL performers we could look at and possibly afford?
We need a CF and no 10... slim pickings...
West Brom - Some decent players in the past but ageing and we don't buy if no resale value (Brunt, Morrison, Dawson). I'd take Rondon.. for the right price. Hegazi seems decent but we have CBs. Not sure Gibbs better than Dummett. Rodriguez and Struridge are crocks.
Southampton - Clearly underperforming, lots of players good on the ball, not sure fits out style though. Tadic on form is very good, Romeu is probably better than Hayden or Diame. Ward-Prowse and Boufal don't fit Benitez right? Redmond blows hot and cold, I'd rather develop Muphy/Atsu (or ideally Keneddy). Soares seems on par with Yedlin. Forster is good, but looks like we are sorted at GK for now.
Stoke - Despite his attitude, if Stoke go down Shaquiri will end up above us. Never really rated Joe Allen. Afellay? Cameron and Shawcross are very good imo. I'd completely forgot they had Saido Berahino.
Palace - Townsend the obvious one, although we aren't as desperate for him now? Luka Milivojević gets you goals. Zaha will cost too much. Benteke has no confidence, but if he could get it back he's quality. Van Aanholt as a more attacking LB?
Huddersfield - Not seen loads of them. Moy been pretty good. Ince? Prichard has potential at no 10 but we need a bit more?
Swansea - Probably fine now but. I rate one of the Ayew's but not sure which one. I rate Mawson. Similar to Southampton, tidy passing players aren't for us? Stay far away from Fer, he's very efficient at getting teams relegated. Struggling... Bony was good once but now?
If it's still MA and we are looking for bargains - I'd go for Tadic, PVA and may be Townsend - all possibly fall in the 15- 20m bracket.
I'd love to think we could get Zaha or Shaquiri - but - reckon 30-40m apiece ?
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Zaha would easily be £30-40m just because he's English, shaqiri would probably be less (but I don't want him).
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I guarantee he will be. This is Chris Mort all over again.Slim999 wrote:You're obviously working on the assumption that MA will still be the owner if we stay up (we're safe imo). I'm not so sure- I think the buying partners may come back with an improved offer if we stay - they will obviously wait until it's mathematically certain. If this happens our spend may be much greater.Colback's Orange Tufts wrote:So, we look almost safe now, this thread is a bit of a risk in case the wheels come off but...
What players from teams that could get relegated you think are solid PL performers we could look at and possibly afford?
We need a CF and no 10... slim pickings...
West Brom - Some decent players in the past but ageing and we don't buy if no resale value (Brunt, Morrison, Dawson). I'd take Rondon.. for the right price. Hegazi seems decent but we have CBs. Not sure Gibbs better than Dummett. Rodriguez and Struridge are crocks.
Southampton - Clearly underperforming, lots of players good on the ball, not sure fits out style though. Tadic on form is very good, Romeu is probably better than Hayden or Diame. Ward-Prowse and Boufal don't fit Benitez right? Redmond blows hot and cold, I'd rather develop Muphy/Atsu (or ideally Keneddy). Soares seems on par with Yedlin. Forster is good, but looks like we are sorted at GK for now.
Stoke - Despite his attitude, if Stoke go down Shaquiri will end up above us. Never really rated Joe Allen. Afellay? Cameron and Shawcross are very good imo. I'd completely forgot they had Saido Berahino.
Palace - Townsend the obvious one, although we aren't as desperate for him now? Luka Milivojević gets you goals. Zaha will cost too much. Benteke has no confidence, but if he could get it back he's quality. Van Aanholt as a more attacking LB?
Huddersfield - Not seen loads of them. Moy been pretty good. Ince? Prichard has potential at no 10 but we need a bit more?
Swansea - Probably fine now but. I rate one of the Ayew's but not sure which one. I rate Mawson. Similar to Southampton, tidy passing players aren't for us? Stay far away from Fer, he's very efficient at getting teams relegated. Struggling... Bony was good once but now?
If it's still MA and we are looking for bargains - I'd go for Tadic, PVA and may be Townsend - all possibly fall in the 15- 20m bracket.
I'd love to think we could get Zaha or Shaquiri - but - reckon 30-40m apiece ?
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Zaha is now IvorianBodacious Benny wrote:Zaha would easily be £30-40m just because he's English, shaqiri would probably be less (but I don't want him).
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Oh yeahLassassinblanc wrote:Zaha is now IvorianBodacious Benny wrote:Zaha would easily be £30-40m just because he's English, shaqiri would probably be less (but I don't want him).
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Id probably take Benteke too, ive always considered him a poor mans Lukaku
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I know why people are skeptical of getting a club sale done; its a complicated process and Ashley is a tough guy to negotiate with. But, I do find it odd that people think he doesn't want to sell, when those same people also think (rightfully so) that he only cares about money. The only way he's going to get his money out of NUFC is to sell us, it won't be from trying to slowly scrape his investment back through annual revenues.
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Not sure what our former chairman has to do with anythingPTAO wrote:I guarantee he will be. This is Chris Mort all over again.Slim999 wrote:
You're obviously working on the assumption that MA will still be the owner if we stay up (we're safe imo). I'm not so sure- I think the buying partners may come back with an improved offer if we stay - they will obviously wait until it's mathematically certain. If this happens our spend may be much greater.
If it's still MA and we are looking for bargains - I'd go for Tadic, PVA and may be Townsend - all possibly fall in the 15- 20m bracket.
I'd love to think we could get Zaha or Shaquiri - but - reckon 30-40m apiece ?
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ThisALF wrote:Not sure what our former chairman has to do with anythingPTAO wrote:
I guarantee he will be. This is Chris Mort all over again.
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I just think his price is way above what anyone will pay so deadlock.....I'm over Colo wrote:I know why people are skeptical of getting a club sale done; its a complicated process and Ashley is a tough guy to negotiate with. But, I do find it odd that people think he doesn't want to sell, when those same people also think (rightfully so) that he only cares about money. The only way he's going to get his money out of NUFC is to sell us, it won't be from trying to slowly scrape his investment back through annual revenues.
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Isn't the price around £300m? Doesn't seem like a lot for a PL club to me.Colback's Orange Tufts wrote:I just think his price is way above what anyone will pay so deadlock.....I'm over Colo wrote:I know why people are skeptical of getting a club sale done; its a complicated process and Ashley is a tough guy to negotiate with. But, I do find it odd that people think he doesn't want to sell, when those same people also think (rightfully so) that he only cares about money. The only way he's going to get his money out of NUFC is to sell us, it won't be from trying to slowly scrape his investment back through annual revenues.
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Once this seasons survival is secured the price will be 300 million minimum as far as Ashley is concerned.Bodacious Benny wrote:Isn't the price around £300m? Doesn't seem like a lot for a PL club to me.Colback's Orange Tufts wrote:
I just think his price is way above what anyone will pay so deadlock.....
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A cut price deal likely could have been done while the survival was in flux before the January window but it seems were staying up.
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Not that I know anything about any of this, but I don't see even 350 as even being unreasonable. The most PCP apparently offered was 300m with clauses. Ashley is clearly no friend of the club, but he is a business man. He's not going to let himself get pulled over. Once the security of the club is secured, I feel investors will be more willing to part with their money. Whether the big man agrees or not, the 300 mark to me seems the likely value. Whilst I said it's not unreasonable, the 350 would be a stretch based on the potential, with regards to the stadium, fan base, and Rafa. Big man wants to go for one, and for two, without rafa there is no takeover. And whilst we do have this whole sleeping giant thing, Rafa is the best chance of fulfilling it. Our potential won't be fulfilled without a manager of that stead.
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I guarantee he will be. This is Chris Mort all over again.
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Isn't it 300m + pay off the debt?
Sure the club has alot of revenue, but year to year can be very variable and also a massive cost base. I think Staveley et Al want a discount asset to make a good profit on, was somewhat opportunistic.
Sure the club has alot of revenue, but year to year can be very variable and also a massive cost base. I think Staveley et Al want a discount asset to make a good profit on, was somewhat opportunistic.
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Catts for me like marra