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Not sure wtf Blackpool are thinking, but creates an interesting sideshow together with shreks managerial masterclass at plymouth
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Rob Elliott has left Gateshead to take over at Crawley Town.
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4 league wins on the bounce and up to 4th position for Bruceball and Blackpool.FOGGONTHETYNE wrote: ↑Tue Sep 03, 2024 10:18 pmNot sure wtf Blackpool are thinking, but creates an interesting sideshow together with shreks managerial masterclass at plymouth
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All the manu big nobs meeting to discuss Tenhags future tomorrow, faves to replace him van nistleroy, safegate or tommy tickle which would be upsetting because i wanted tommy to replace Eddie if he took the engerland job.
A point at villa is a decent result which will possibly save him, (and save themselves a £17m payoff) personally i think he's doing such a great job, if only we were playing them next instead of december
A point at villa is a decent result which will possibly save him, (and save themselves a £17m payoff) personally i think he's doing such a great job, if only we were playing them next instead of december
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So long as they don't look at Howe, there has been some links there as well. Not sure we'd get Tuchel if Howe was to leave - he'd surely be looking at a regular CL club? Fell out with the brass at practically every club he's worked at as well. Can only see Van Nistleroy taking on the job in an interim basis, and if that was the case would there be much point in sacking Ten Haag? Inzaghi is someone they've been linked to, and he has the pedigree and tactical acumen, but perhaps because of that apparently he's distanced himself from links already.FOGGONTHETYNE wrote: ↑Mon Oct 07, 2024 12:34 pmAll the manu big nobs meeting to discuss Tenhags future tomorrow, faves to replace him van nistleroy, safegate or tommy tickle which would be upsetting because i wanted tommy to replace Eddie if he took the engerland job.
A point at villa is a decent result which will possibly save him, (and save themselves a £17m payoff) personally i think he's doing such a great job, if only we were playing them next instead of december
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i don't think falling out with previous clubs owners can be held against him, he is an exceptional coach who took a group of players that lampy couldnt get a tune out of and won the champions league with them in the same season, sometimes top managers find a club where everyone including the owners buy in to their footie philosophy and let them get on with it, if we do need to replace Eddie i dont particularly want potter or any other english types, only foreign coaches tend to win titles and trophies these days.Valentino's fast feet wrote: ↑Mon Oct 07, 2024 12:48 pmSo long as they don't look at Howe, there has been some links there as well. Not sure we'd get Tuchel if Howe was to leave - he'd surely be looking at a regular CL club? Fell out with the brass at practically every club he's worked at as well. Can only see Van Nistleroy taking on the job in an interim basis, and if that was the case would there be much point in sacking Ten Haag? Inzaghi is someone they've been linked to, and he has the pedigree and tactical acumen, but perhaps because of that apparently he's distanced himself from links already.FOGGONTHETYNE wrote: ↑Mon Oct 07, 2024 12:34 pmAll the manu big nobs meeting to discuss Tenhags future tomorrow, faves to replace him van nistleroy, safegate or tommy tickle which would be upsetting because i wanted tommy to replace Eddie if he took the engerland job.
A point at villa is a decent result which will possibly save him, (and save themselves a £17m payoff) personally i think he's doing such a great job, if only we were playing them next instead of december
For manu this is a big decision (in a town called malice)
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But he's left under very public negative terms with the front office of every club he's ever been at, whether it be Mainz, Dortmund, PSG, Chelsea and Bayern. He consistently complains about transfer activities and other administrative decisions, he blows up at referees and other coaches, and generally can't sustain a position no matter how much success he brings on the pitch. I can't imagine a scenario where he'd be happy with the way our club is run from a financially risk-adverse approach, or the mixed bag of owners and executive direction.FOGGONTHETYNE wrote: ↑Mon Oct 07, 2024 2:02 pmi don't think falling out with previous clubs owners can be held against him, he is an exceptional coach who took a group of players that lampy couldnt get a tune out of and won the champions league with them in the same season, sometimes top managers find a club where everyone including the owners buy in to their footie philosophy and let them get on with it, if we do need to replace Eddie i dont particularly want potter or any other english types, only foreign coaches tend to win titles and trophies these days.Valentino's fast feet wrote: ↑Mon Oct 07, 2024 12:48 pm
So long as they don't look at Howe, there has been some links there as well. Not sure we'd get Tuchel if Howe was to leave - he'd surely be looking at a regular CL club? Fell out with the brass at practically every club he's worked at as well. Can only see Van Nistleroy taking on the job in an interim basis, and if that was the case would there be much point in sacking Ten Haag? Inzaghi is someone they've been linked to, and he has the pedigree and tactical acumen, but perhaps because of that apparently he's distanced himself from links already.
For manu this is a big decision (in a town called malice)
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Ofcourse he has and i genuinely admire that, think about what we've had, not one willing to stand up to the FCB including Rafa who I did respect, mostly lily livered cowards who all knew the fans were being soundly ripped off and treated with utter comtempt yet still defended him on every occasion. You could say the same about KK always leaving his jobs acrimoniously, doesn't mean you wouldnt give him another chance, Tuchel is a f**king clever guy in every respect and knows what he wants and has a proven track record and no disrespect to Eddie but is the type to take us to the next level....therefore you can't just overlook him simply for being a bit of a trouble maker, Jesus wept if we keep employing "nice" managers we're gonna be waiting another 70 years for a trophy.Remember Colo wrote: ↑Mon Oct 07, 2024 5:23 pmBut he's left under very public negative terms with the front office of every club he's ever been at, whether it be Mainz, Dortmund, PSG, Chelsea and Bayern. He consistently complains about transfer activities and other administrative decisions, he blows up at referees and other coaches, and generally can't sustain a position no matter how much success he brings on the pitch. I can't imagine a scenario where he'd be happy with the way our club is run from a financially risk-adverse approach, or the mixed bag of owners and executive direction.FOGGONTHETYNE wrote: ↑Mon Oct 07, 2024 2:02 pm
i don't think falling out with previous clubs owners can be held against him, he is an exceptional coach who took a group of players that lampy couldnt get a tune out of and won the champions league with them in the same season, sometimes top managers find a club where everyone including the owners buy in to their footie philosophy and let them get on with it, if we do need to replace Eddie i dont particularly want potter or any other english types, only foreign coaches tend to win titles and trophies these days.
For manu this is a big decision (in a town called malice)
Also VFF every top coach in the land are aware of the takeover and the ambition of the saudis, and the transfer funds available (if we're ever allowed to spend it), do you not agree Tommy would see it as a challenge to turn us into a top four side consistently.?
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After a few years I think any top flight manager would be right to be skeptical whether the club will ever tap into the full financial might of PIF, or their willingness to spend it or deal with the challenges of fighting legal battles.FOGGONTHETYNE wrote: ↑Mon Oct 07, 2024 5:56 pmOfcourse he has and i genuinely admire that, think about what we've had, not one willing to stand up to the FCB including Rafa who I did respect, mostly lily livered cowards who all knew the fans were being soundly ripped off and treated with utter comtempt yet still defended him on every occasion. You could say the same about KK always leaving his jobs acrimoniously, doesn't mean you wouldnt give him another chance, Tuchel is a f**king clever guy in every respect and knows what he wants and has a proven track record and no disrespect to Eddie but is the type to take us to the next level....therefore you can't just overlook him simply for being a bit of a trouble maker, Jesus wept if we keep employing "nice" managers we're gonna be waiting another 70 years for a trophy.Remember Colo wrote: ↑Mon Oct 07, 2024 5:23 pm
But he's left under very public negative terms with the front office of every club he's ever been at, whether it be Mainz, Dortmund, PSG, Chelsea and Bayern. He consistently complains about transfer activities and other administrative decisions, he blows up at referees and other coaches, and generally can't sustain a position no matter how much success he brings on the pitch. I can't imagine a scenario where he'd be happy with the way our club is run from a financially risk-adverse approach, or the mixed bag of owners and executive direction.
Also VFF every top coach in the land are aware of the takeover and the ambition of the saudis, and the transfer funds available (if we're ever allowed to spend it), do you not agree Tommy would see it as a challenge to turn us into a top four side consistently.?
And fighting with owners might make for a nice "rah rah" headline, but an acrimonious relationship with your boss doesn't produce results, or at least can't sustain them. So even if it might allow a manager to save face or their pride publicly, the only way to actually get what you want is convincing the owner to see your side and find common ground. Embarrassing them does nothing but find you unemployed and starting a whole new project again. You think long-serving managers like Pep, Fergy or Klopp didn't disagree with their owners or bosses from time to time? They just knew how effectively manage those relationships to get what they needed for success while maintaining a tenable situation with the people who paid their salary - that's all part of the job.
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You're joking, I really don't get some of our fans who are already questioning our new owners, apologies if ive read your post wrong RC but that seemed to be what you were saying....the way I see it ANY of the worlds top managers who happen to be out of work if/when Eddie gets the bullet would be interested in the job, just simply the money spent on players in the first 3 years compared with 14 years of Mike Ashley penny pinching in itself sends out the message they mean business, without palace taking the piss all thru the summer would have taken us to around £450m.Remember Colo wrote: ↑Tue Oct 08, 2024 2:14 pmAfter a few years I think any top flight manager would be right to be skeptical whether the club will ever tap into the full financial might of PIF, or their willingness to spend it or deal with the challenges of fighting legal battles.FOGGONTHETYNE wrote: ↑Mon Oct 07, 2024 5:56 pm
Ofcourse he has and i genuinely admire that, think about what we've had, not one willing to stand up to the FCB including Rafa who I did respect, mostly lily livered cowards who all knew the fans were being soundly ripped off and treated with utter comtempt yet still defended him on every occasion. You could say the same about KK always leaving his jobs acrimoniously, doesn't mean you wouldnt give him another chance, Tuchel is a f**king clever guy in every respect and knows what he wants and has a proven track record and no disrespect to Eddie but is the type to take us to the next level....therefore you can't just overlook him simply for being a bit of a trouble maker, Jesus wept if we keep employing "nice" managers we're gonna be waiting another 70 years for a trophy.
Also VFF every top coach in the land are aware of the takeover and the ambition of the saudis, and the transfer funds available (if we're ever allowed to spend it), do you not agree Tommy would see it as a challenge to turn us into a top four side consistently.?
And fighting with owners might make for a nice "rah rah" headline, but an acrimonious relationship with your boss doesn't produce results, or at least can't sustain them. So even if it might allow a manager to save face or their pride publicly, the only way to actually get what you want is convincing the owner to see your side and find common ground. Embarrassing them does nothing but find you unemployed and starting a whole new project again. You think long-serving managers like Pep, Fergy or Klopp didn't disagree with their owners or bosses from time to time? They just knew how effectively manage those relationships to get what they needed for success while maintaining a tenable situation with the people who paid their salary - that's all part of the job.
The only thing that might put managers of is if they cannot choose the players they want and are constantly over ruled by the owners, sporting director, transfer committee, or a little bong eyed cockney ****, that would definitely boil Tuchels p*ss and who could blame him, unfortunately football is going that way now, some managers put up with it some don't and are labelled "trouble makers".
As I said before only foreign coaches win titles and cups these days and i have no doubt that Al-Rumayyan and them already have a list of top managers and have already been in touch with some of them because the start of the season has not been what they would have expected performance-wise and they need to be ready to fly someone straight in once Eddie ships out.......As sad as it would be if it came to that because he's such a nice fella and has helped turn us from relegation fodder every season into a team competing for europe every season, but the bottom line is we still havent won anything and seven games in if we're really honest, it's not looking like thats gonna change any time soon.
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Woh, there's a difference between me questioning whether we should be treated or expected to spend like "the richest club" as some would suggest we are, and me complaining about spending. I'm one who didn't actually want PIF to buy us, and don't want us to be a new Man City outspending everyone - so I'm actually very content with the spend to date, and still grateful that Ashley is gone.FOGGONTHETYNE wrote: ↑Tue Oct 08, 2024 9:04 pmYou're joking, I really don't get some of our fans who are already questioning our new owners, apologies if ive read your post wrong RC but that seemed to be what you were saying....the way I see it ANY of the worlds top managers who happen to be out of work if/when Eddie gets the bullet would be interested in the job, just simply the money spent on players in the first 3 years compared with 14 years of Mike Ashley penny pinching in itself sends out the message they mean business, without palace taking the piss all thru the summer would have taken us to around £450m.Remember Colo wrote: ↑Tue Oct 08, 2024 2:14 pm
After a few years I think any top flight manager would be right to be skeptical whether the club will ever tap into the full financial might of PIF, or their willingness to spend it or deal with the challenges of fighting legal battles.
And fighting with owners might make for a nice "rah rah" headline, but an acrimonious relationship with your boss doesn't produce results, or at least can't sustain them. So even if it might allow a manager to save face or their pride publicly, the only way to actually get what you want is convincing the owner to see your side and find common ground. Embarrassing them does nothing but find you unemployed and starting a whole new project again. You think long-serving managers like Pep, Fergy or Klopp didn't disagree with their owners or bosses from time to time? They just knew how effectively manage those relationships to get what they needed for success while maintaining a tenable situation with the people who paid their salary - that's all part of the job.
The only thing that might put managers of is if they cannot choose the players they want and are constantly over ruled by the owners, sporting director, transfer committee, or a little bong eyed cockney ****, that would definitely boil Tuchels p*ss and who could blame him, unfortunately football is going that way now, some managers put up with it some don't and are labelled "trouble makers".
As I said before only foreign coaches win titles and cups these days and i have no doubt that Al-Rumayyan and them already have a list of top managers and have already been in touch with some of them because the start of the season has not been what they would have expected performance-wise and they need to be ready to fly someone straight in once Eddie ships out.......As sad as it would be if it came to that because he's such a nice fella and has helped turn us from relegation fodder every season into a team competing for europe every season, but the bottom line is we still havent won anything and seven games in if we're really honest, it's not looking like thats gonna change any time soon.
But my point was only that we maybe should start pumping the brakes on managers or players perceiving us as the most desirable football project on earth. I've no doubt we could hire a good manager, maybe even Tuchel, but he seems at the extreme end of managers who are difficult to keep content, and given signals of a complicated front office situation, aversion to PSR penalties, and subsequent inconsistency in the transfer market - I fear he wouldn't choose to stay long.
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Haven't followed the who argument, but agree that Tuchel would likely quickly burn bridges. Seems like an argumentative / stubborn guy and not especially likable.
Jose has become that manager (but wasn't always), you know he'll fall out with everyone and be fired from whatever job he's in in a couple of seasons (or less).
Jose has become that manager (but wasn't always), you know he'll fall out with everyone and be fired from whatever job he's in in a couple of seasons (or less).
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Aye but how many managers have we had over the years who have just been "yes" men, neither use nor ornament, most of them during ashleys regime pardew mcclaren bruce etc..but even before that. the only manager we've had in recent history who is prepared to fight for his beliefs and even to walk if he felt he was being undermined or the fans we're getting the p*ss ripped out of them you should all know who i'm talking about....Benitez did have a bit of a whinge until Mike sent his heavies around to tell him in effect to get on with his job and stfu, he could have been the guy who finally won us something but wrong timing, we've only had two other foreign managers in Gullit who's idea of "sexy" football left us all in suspenders but little else and Ardilles who referred to us as 'Newcass' and won only 12 games out of his 52 in charge which says it all, so no success so far with foreigners but someone with a bit of attitude (like Tuchel) could be the answer, a winner who shares the ambition of the fans and as KK did speaks out when the fans are paying their money and being well and truly shafted by things going on behind the scenes, as i said not just another yes man who on tv and the pressers toes the line and defends the owners up to the hilt simply to save his own arse and the fans can f"ck off.
RC..probably none of us actually wanted the saudis with the whole sh*tstorm that came with it....but there wasnt really any other takers who would not only cough up the extortionate amount of money the FCB was demanding AND then fork out another £400m in transfer funds...the only way we have a chance of ripping the title off Citeh or the Champs league off RM is by spending, and spending big, so if thats what it takes i'm all for it, you are probably fairly young but i'm in my 60s so time is possibly running out and i would like to see us win a trophy before i go, cheers.
RC..probably none of us actually wanted the saudis with the whole sh*tstorm that came with it....but there wasnt really any other takers who would not only cough up the extortionate amount of money the FCB was demanding AND then fork out another £400m in transfer funds...the only way we have a chance of ripping the title off Citeh or the Champs league off RM is by spending, and spending big, so if thats what it takes i'm all for it, you are probably fairly young but i'm in my 60s so time is possibly running out and i would like to see us win a trophy before i go, cheers.
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Does FCB stand for Fat Cunty Bastard?
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Let's be clear, I'm all for the manager being bright, aggressive and tactically smart, which as you said for a long time required a manager from outside of England, and not the mediocre has-beens Ashley kept hiring for most of his time owning the club. But I also think it's lazy to make the distinction of "yes" men or not. I don't care about a manager going off in a presser about his boss trying to make himself look good to the fans or media - I care about a manager who can successfully convince the owner to make the right footballing decisions for the club. Ashley proved over his time that he didn't care about negative headlines or the fans not liking him, so public winging was never going to make much a difference. Benitez maybe had some wins with the front office during his time, but ultimately he still wasn't capable of getting Ashley to change his stripes - so I won't romanticize him for it.FOGGONTHETYNE wrote: ↑Thu Oct 10, 2024 8:56 pmAye but how many managers have we had over the years who have just been "yes" men, neither use nor ornament, most of them during ashleys regime pardew mcclaren bruce etc..but even before that. the only manager we've had in recent history who is prepared to fight for his beliefs and even to walk if he felt he was being undermined or the fans we're getting the p*ss ripped out of them you should all know who i'm talking about....Benitez did have a bit of a whinge until Mike sent his heavies around to tell him in effect to get on with his job and stfu, he could have been the guy who finally won us something but wrong timing, we've only had two other foreign managers in Gullit who's idea of "sexy" football left us all in suspenders but little else and Ardilles who referred to us as 'Newcass' and won only 12 games out of his 52 in charge which says it all, so no success so far with foreigners but someone with a bit of attitude (like Tuchel) could be the answer, a winner who shares the ambition of the fans and as KK did speaks out when the fans are paying their money and being well and truly shafted by things going on behind the scenes, as i said not just another yes man who on tv and the pressers toes the line and defends the owners up to the hilt simply to save his own arse and the fans can f"ck off.
RC..probably none of us actually wanted the saudis with the whole sh*tstorm that came with it....but there wasnt really any other takers who would not only cough up the extortionate amount of money the FCB was demanding AND then fork out another £400m in transfer funds...the only way we have a chance of ripping the title off Citeh or the Champs league off RM is by spending, and spending big, so if thats what it takes i'm all for it, you are probably fairly young but i'm in my 60s so time is possibly running out and i would like to see us win a trophy before i go, cheers.
I want you to experience a trophy, and I won't complain if suddenly PIF do dig deeper into their pockets to help make that happen, but I'm also starting to reset my expectations after a few cheap windows about what they're willing to do (whether constrained by internal budget or PSR). And I also won't pretend like I didn't spend the past 20+ of my footballing fandom complaining about the clubs backed by stock markets and nations ruining the sport. Not that I'm needing other fans to feel the same way - to each their own.
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I've always found this idea of "rebels" against Ashley a bit silly. Obviously it's justified in places and Keegan rightly won his court case, but many have certainly used the fans to their own advantage at times. Rafa was brilliant at times, but played the "miracle worker" tag to perfection, taking a pretty decent squad to the heady heights of midtable with some horrible runs of form which could easily be deflected by blaming the ownership. One of the most pathetic sights I've ever seen at the club was the Ben Arfa Che Guevara banner.
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Basically any manager who won't have a wrong word said against an owner who has no ambition to progress in any of the domestic trophies, an owner who has no ambition to compete for the European places, an owner whose only target for the season is 17th place in the premier league, is simply a yes-man, lacking integrity? principles? self-esteem?..... feathering their own nest totally unconcerned that a great club like ours is being dragged through the sh*te by a complete imbecile using us solely to flog his cheap tat globally.Remember Colo wrote: ↑Fri Oct 11, 2024 2:15 pmLet's be clear, I'm all for the manager being bright, aggressive and tactically smart, which as you said for a long time required a manager from outside of England, and not the mediocre has-beens Ashley kept hiring for most of his time owning the club. But I also think it's lazy to make the distinction of "yes" men or not. I don't care about a manager going off in a presser about his boss trying to make himself look good to the fans or media - I care about a manager who can successfully convince the owner to make the right footballing decisions for the club. Ashley proved over his time that he didn't care about negative headlines or the fans not liking him, so public winging was never going to make much a difference. Benitez maybe had some wins with the front office during his time, but ultimately he still wasn't capable of getting Ashley to change his stripes - so I won't romanticize him for it.FOGGONTHETYNE wrote: ↑Thu Oct 10, 2024 8:56 pmAye but how many managers have we had over the years who have just been "yes" men, neither use nor ornament, most of them during ashleys regime pardew mcclaren bruce etc..but even before that. the only manager we've had in recent history who is prepared to fight for his beliefs and even to walk if he felt he was being undermined or the fans we're getting the p*ss ripped out of them you should all know who i'm talking about....Benitez did have a bit of a whinge until Mike sent his heavies around to tell him in effect to get on with his job and stfu, he could have been the guy who finally won us something but wrong timing, we've only had two other foreign managers in Gullit who's idea of "sexy" football left us all in suspenders but little else and Ardilles who referred to us as 'Newcass' and won only 12 games out of his 52 in charge which says it all, so no success so far with foreigners but someone with a bit of attitude (like Tuchel) could be the answer, a winner who shares the ambition of the fans and as KK did speaks out when the fans are paying their money and being well and truly shafted by things going on behind the scenes, as i said not just another yes man who on tv and the pressers toes the line and defends the owners up to the hilt simply to save his own arse and the fans can f"ck off.
RC..probably none of us actually wanted the saudis with the whole sh*tstorm that came with it....but there wasnt really any other takers who would not only cough up the extortionate amount of money the FCB was demanding AND then fork out another £400m in transfer funds...the only way we have a chance of ripping the title off Citeh or the Champs league off RM is by spending, and spending big, so if thats what it takes i'm all for it, you are probably fairly young but i'm in my 60s so time is possibly running out and i would like to see us win a trophy before i go, cheers.
I want you to experience a trophy, and I won't complain if suddenly PIF do dig deeper into their pockets to help make that happen, but I'm also starting to reset my expectations after a few cheap windows about what they're willing to do (whether constrained by internal budget or PSR). And I also won't pretend like I didn't spend the past 20+ of my footballing fandom complaining about the clubs backed by stock markets and nations ruining the sport. Not that I'm needing other fans to feel the same way - to each their own.
Hanson famously suggested you never win anything with kids, well we are the perfect example that you never win anything with yes-men. because save for one or two exceptions to the rule that is what we've had, hence 70 years without a trophy.
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Whilst you can look at our history of owners and managers and lay the blame for a trophy less run, you also have to look at some of the players as well.
Two times we ran out in a final at Wembley and the players never showed up. Arsenal and Man Utd had the easiest games of thier seasons on those occasions.
We've had good squads in the past that have under achieved - to the extent that we got relegated.
History just proves that we f*** up a lot, on and off the pitch and even when the front and back offices are working together in harmony - we shoot ourselves in the foot, steal defeat from the jaws of victory.
Two times we ran out in a final at Wembley and the players never showed up. Arsenal and Man Utd had the easiest games of thier seasons on those occasions.
We've had good squads in the past that have under achieved - to the extent that we got relegated.
History just proves that we f*** up a lot, on and off the pitch and even when the front and back offices are working together in harmony - we shoot ourselves in the foot, steal defeat from the jaws of victory.
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The hardest part of management is instilling a winning mentality to your team and to maintain it. To have your players walk onto the pitch with no fear or thought of losing and even if they lose - wipe it out and keep going.
Liverpool managed it for years, then came Man Utd, then Chelsea and now Man City.
I'd include Arsenal but after the Invincibles season, they were in fear of losing and never maintained it going forwards.
We had that mentality somewhat under Keegan but stumbled at the final hurdle.
I'd say under Houghton we had it in the Championship and our first season back.
We had that under Pardew when we finished fifth but didn't maintain it - it wasn't just Ashley and signing Anita. The team were different that next season.
We've had it under Howe for one season when we finished fourth but you can look at injuries last season that derailed it.
That first trophy or title is hard but if you can do it again shortly afterwards, it becomes easier mentally.
Liverpool managed it for years, then came Man Utd, then Chelsea and now Man City.
I'd include Arsenal but after the Invincibles season, they were in fear of losing and never maintained it going forwards.
We had that mentality somewhat under Keegan but stumbled at the final hurdle.
I'd say under Houghton we had it in the Championship and our first season back.
We had that under Pardew when we finished fifth but didn't maintain it - it wasn't just Ashley and signing Anita. The team were different that next season.
We've had it under Howe for one season when we finished fourth but you can look at injuries last season that derailed it.
That first trophy or title is hard but if you can do it again shortly afterwards, it becomes easier mentally.
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Re: The Managerial Merry-Go-Round Thread
From when i can remember which was late 60's onwards until SJH took control their was no real ambition, smokey joe harvey bless him tried his best and was finally rewarded with the famous fairs cup victory and a trip to wembley in '74 in a bid to emulate his old team-mate stokoes success with the mackems the season before, unfortunately it didnt work out and in response to fans disappointment in the team performance that day i think it was lord westwood the pirate who proclaimed "surely no-one seriously expected us to beat Liverpool!?" ...like yeah man, that's the spirit.overseasTOON wrote: ↑Sat Oct 12, 2024 10:45 amWhilst you can look at our history of owners and managers and lay the blame for a trophy less run, you also have to look at some of the players as well.
Two times we ran out in a final at Wembley and the players never showed up. Arsenal and Man Utd had the easiest games of thier seasons on those occasions.
We've had good squads in the past that have under achieved - to the extent that we got relegated.
History just proves that we **** up a lot, on and off the pitch and even when the front and back offices are working together in harmony - we shoot ourselves in the foot, steal defeat from the jaws of victory.
I'm sure part of the excitement created by the takeover was the thought with these owners it felt like the big black cloud which had hung over the club for those years plus the depression created by the FCB would finally disappear over the horizon, no more sh*t managers, no more sh*t players......Dinnis, McFaul, McGarry, Suggett, Jim Smith, Saxton, Ardiles, Souness, Kinnear, Pardew, Carver, McClaren and Bruce,.... all gone, all forgotten.
Now at least we have hope again, 30 years after SJHs fighting talk promised we'd be amongst the top teams in England and amongst the best teams in Europe, "Just watch us come through!" he said.........well we're still waiting and all we can do is remain optimistic that these owners can deliver that promise.