Too good to be true.CIH wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2019 3:58 pmWenger as DoF, Arteta as manager?Speedo wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2019 3:48 pmOn Avram Grant, Arsene Wenger, coaches we’ve never heard of - I reckon that we’re looking for a Director of Football, with a Head Coach/coaching team to work under him. They keep on talking about being sounded out for “a” role, rather than the manager’s job...
They have a point though, the club is becoming a black hole, come here/ stay here and you are going nowhere, for me they are only stating the obvious, if I was a professional footballer I wouldn't touch the club right now, there is literally nothing going for us, it's just an existence at the moment.Sir Bobby wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2019 5:14 pmI’m getting bored of seeing “get out of our club while you can” as the first comment under every player’s farewell post to Rafa on Twitter. Absolute melts. Just had our best asset leave. I know, why don’t we encourage all our other assets to leave. Really helps the situation, doesn’t it?
No, I think you're right about that. And there are plenty of situations just like this with owners who only care about making money and haven't a bit of sense about how to successfully run a club. We're not as special as we think we are when it comes to having a s*** owner, but it doesn't make it any easier to see opportunities like Rafa as manager squandered.Colly wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2019 5:30 pmYeah but don't tell them that!
In fairness if I were a professional playing in France or Spain outside the top clubs we're still appealing, the pay is still higher than those leagues, you're in the most exposed league in terms of coverage so if you're any good you get noticed, and you might see our usual craziness as a challenge. Our system of buy low sell high has worked on odd occasions so if a good coach does come in that might continue too.
Trying to see positives where there are none...
You say it as if the other clubs are pushing for trophies and achievements. Most teams are going nowhere. Ours is especially miserable because the going nowhere seems endless until Ashley leaves whereas others have at least, a very small chance of winning something. But if a player moves to about half of the league they’ll either be battling relegation or, at best, stagnating in the middle. It’s not as if playing in front of 50,000 fans and living in a vibrant city is this tragic event compared with playing in front of 25,000 fans and living in Burnley or Bournemouth.Don Sholeone wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2019 5:19 pmThey have a point though, the club is becoming a black hole, come here/ stay here and you are going nowhere, for me they are only stating the obvious, if I was a professional footballer I wouldn't touch the club right now, there is literally nothing going for us, it's just an existence at the moment.Sir Bobby wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2019 5:14 pmI’m getting bored of seeing “get out of our club while you can” as the first comment under every player’s farewell post to Rafa on Twitter. Absolute melts. Just had our best asset leave. I know, why don’t we encourage all our other assets to leave. Really helps the situation, doesn’t it?
There were reports that he wanted specific transfer funds written into his contract and things like that, ironclad guarantees. May just have been speculation, but not something they could just lie about, and clearly a dealbreaker.Remember Colo wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2019 5:42 pmI'd add, I don't really know why they didn't just lie to him? Like, what assurances could they have possibly made that he would have trusted, or the reverse, wouldn't they have felt fine promising the world and then consistently disappointing like they always have? I'd be really interested what he asked for as proof they would back him in the ways he wanted.
Still seems like a really unenforceable clause. I don't doubt what you're saying is true, but from a legal standpoint, I think it'd be pretty hard to require the employer spend x-million pounds per window or whatever.CIH wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2019 5:44 pmThere was reports that he wanted specific transfer funds written into his contract and things like that, ironclad guarantees. May just have been speculation, but not something they could just lie about, and clearly a dealbreaker.Remember Colo wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2019 5:42 pmI'd add, I don't really know why they didn't just lie to him? Like, what assurances could they have possibly made that he would have trusted, or the reverse, wouldn't they have felt fine promising the world and then consistently disappointing like they always have? I'd be really interested what he asked for as proof they would back him in the ways he wanted.
And become the greatest manager of them all!!overseasTOON wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2019 5:46 pmShola has his UEFA A licence so he can manage the team as a caretaker.
Like I said, think it's purely speculation. As for it being enforceable, yeah possibly not. Rafa walks out a king and Ashley is clearly the villain, but we will probably never know what exactly happened with the negotiations. While most of us, myself included, are far more inclined to believe it's all Ashley's fault, we don't know if Benitez's demands were reasonable or otherwise.Remember Colo wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2019 5:47 pmStill seems like a really unenforceable clause. I don't doubt what you're saying is true, but from a legal standpoint, I think it'd be pretty hard to require the employer spend x-million pounds per window or whatever.
Yes, but we are trying to go nowhere.Sir Bobby wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2019 5:41 pmYou say it as if the other clubs are pushing for trophies and achievements. Most teams are going nowhere. Ours is especially miserable because the going nowhere seems endless until Ashley leaves whereas others have at least, a very small chance of winning something. But if a player moves to about half of the league they’ll either be battling relegation or, at best, stagnating in the middle. It’s not as if playing in front of 50,000 fans and living in a vibrant city is this tragic event compared with playing in front of 25,000 fans and living in Burnley or Bournemouth.Don Sholeone wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2019 5:19 pm
They have a point though, the club is becoming a black hole, come here/ stay here and you are going nowhere, for me they are only stating the obvious, if I was a professional footballer I wouldn't touch the club right now, there is literally nothing going for us, it's just an existence at the moment.
