Re: Which series to watch
Posted: Sat Feb 11, 2017 4:14 pm
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I recently watched the first two series but that was all I had downloaded and our internet's too s**** to download any more.Bodacious Benny wrote:I'm onto series 2 of Mad Men which I'm enjoying so far.
This. Hilariously immune to rebuttal as well.asbo wrote:The Wire is by far the greatest TV show ever made and always will be, but it's kind of esoteric and (and I don't care how conceited this is) simply above those who criticise it.
Mifune wrote:Also The Walking Dead is complete s*** and vies with Game of Thrones as most overrated TV show ever.
Bit of an odd hypothesis imo. To start with, Frank Sobotka is probably the most complete tragic hero in television history. His character is at least half the reason why I rate the show so highly. He is a masterpiece. The Avon and Stringer plot in the third season is rooted in two conflicting character developments, and I'm sure I remember almost all of season 4 being low on story, high on character.Mifune wrote:I find people who think The Wire is the best TV show ever tend to prefer story driven shows rather than character driven shows.
Personally I prefer character driven shows like Mad Men and The Sopranos because they are more interesting and they have more rewatch value. Story driven shows like The Wire I only really watch once then that's it.
What I meant with story/character driven was the overriding thing that drives the show. Story driven shows still have character development and character driven shows still have story arcs. But with The Sopranos the thing that drives the show is the character of Tony Soprano, that what the show grows around. While The Wire does have character development and stuff it is the story arcs of the cases that the show is worked around.skalpel wrote:Bit of an odd hypothesis imo. To start with, Frank Sobotka is probably the most complete tragic hero in television history. His character is at least half the reason why I rate the show so highly. He is a masterpiece. The Avon and Stringer plot in the third season is rooted in two conflicting character developments, and I'm sure I remember almost all of season 4 being low on story, high on character.Mifune wrote:I find people who think The Wire is the best TV show ever tend to prefer story driven shows rather than character driven shows.
Personally I prefer character driven shows like Mad Men and The Sopranos because they are more interesting and they have more rewatch value. Story driven shows like The Wire I only really watch once then that's it.
To be honest, the only thin-ish characters are the cops, and even then they're not exactly one dimensional (save for McNulty).
Of course. But I'm arguing that the second season (the best season) of the Wire is basically a character driven morality tale with everything orbiting one complex character whose attributes and decisions impact the story like pond ripples. It could even be taken as a self contained miniseries which would undoubtedly be viewed as a character study. Anybody who, as you say, finds character driven fiction more interesting than plot driven (I count myself as one) would not be let down by The Wire.Mifune wrote:What I meant with story/character driven was the overriding thing that drives the show. Story driven shows still have character development and character driven shows still have story arcs.skalpel wrote:
Bit of an odd hypothesis imo. To start with, Frank Sobotka is probably the most complete tragic hero in television history. His character is at least half the reason why I rate the show so highly. He is a masterpiece. The Avon and Stringer plot in the third season is rooted in two conflicting character developments, and I'm sure I remember almost all of season 4 being low on story, high on character.
To be honest, the only thin-ish characters are the cops, and even then they're not exactly one dimensional (save for McNulty).
Spoken like someone who has seen about an hour of itMifune wrote:Also The Walking Dead is complete s*** and vies with Game of Thrones as most overrated TV show ever.
I've seen every episode of it, d*******.Duke wrote:Spoken like someone who has seen about an hour of itMifune wrote:Also The Walking Dead is complete s*** and vies with Game of Thrones as most overrated TV show ever.
Story is always going to involve characters. The difference for me personally is that in shows like The Wire even if there is character stuff in them it is created by the story rather than in shows like The Sopranos where the story is created by the character.skalpel wrote:Of course. But I'm arguing that the second season (the best season) of the Wire is basically a character driven morality tale with everything orbiting one complex character whose attributes and decisions impact the story like pond ripples. It could even be taken as a self contained miniseries which would undoubtedly be viewed as a character study. Anybody who, as you say, finds character driven fiction more interesting than plot driven (I count myself as one) would not be let down by The Wire.Mifune wrote:
What I meant with story/character driven was the overriding thing that drives the show. Story driven shows still have character development and character driven shows still have story arcs.
Edit- It's a similar deal with the third season as well: character drives the plot rather than the other way about. In this case it's basically an inner conflict split between two characters, where only one world outlook can possibly exist, putting both characters squarely against eachother and generating events from there.
But skalpel just gave two examples of where the plot was being heavily driven by the characters, maybe you managed to miss all the scenes involving Barksdale, Bell and Sobotka when you watched it .Mifune wrote:Story is always going to involve characters. The difference for me personally is that in shows like The Wire even if there is character stuff in them it is created by the story rather than in shows like The Sopranos where the story is created by the character.skalpel wrote:
Of course. But I'm arguing that the second season (the best season) of the Wire is basically a character driven morality tale with everything orbiting one complex character whose attributes and decisions impact the story like pond ripples. It could even be taken as a self contained miniseries which would undoubtedly be viewed as a character study. Anybody who, as you say, finds character driven fiction more interesting than plot driven (I count myself as one) would not be let down by The Wire.
Edit- It's a similar deal with the third season as well: character drives the plot rather than the other way about. In this case it's basically an inner conflict split between two characters, where only one world outlook can possibly exist, putting both characters squarely against eachother and generating events from there.
Mifune wrote:Story is always going to involve characters. The difference for me personally is that in shows like The Wire even if there is character stuff in them it is created by the story rather than in shows like The Sopranos where the story is created by the character.
skalpel wrote:character drives the plot rather than the other way about
Yes, we both know the difference between character driven and plot driven.skalpel wrote:character driven morality tale with everything orbiting one complex character whose attributes and decisions impact the story like pond ripples