Re: Does God Exist?
Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2012 12:26 am
I knew someone would eventually use the 'I went to a faith school and by the age of 4/5/6/7/8/9/10 I was like 'this is ****' bollocks
Newcastle United Fans' Forum & Fansite
https://toonforum.co.uk/
I'm sorry for offering my perspective. You offered yours with the being raised in a similar environment and believing, which is worse.B4E wrote:I knew someone would eventually use the 'I went to a faith school and by the age of 4/5/6/7/8/9/10 I was like 'this is ****' bollocks
You make some good points (and I will reply to one or two), but the amount of people who say this with a smug look on their face as though just because they decided to reject what they were taught, they are clever (which is funny in itself) is pathetic. It astounds me, it really does. Especially when they start being condescending about it.Cal wrote:I'm sorry for offering my perspective.B4E wrote:I knew someone would eventually use the 'I went to a faith school and by the age of 4/5/6/7/8/9/10 I was like 'this is ****' bollocks
I'm just being equally dismissive for the point of countering his post. What makes being raised in a religious family and believing acceptable, but a similar upbringing and not believing bollocks?Livin' Davide Loca wrote:So Cal you're basically saying that every single theist is an imbecile?
I was referring to what you said in your reply to his massive post, not sure if you areCal wrote:I'm just being equally dismissive for the point of countering his post. What makes being raised in a religious family and believing acceptable, but a similar upbringing and not believing bollocks?Livin' Davide Loca wrote:So Cal you're basically saying that every single theist is an imbecile?
Because you believe what you are told up until a certain ageCal wrote:I'm just being equally dismissive for the point of countering his post. What makes being raised in a religious family and believing acceptable, but a similar upbringing and not believing bollocks?Livin' Davide Loca wrote:So Cal you're basically saying that every single theist is an imbecile?
I wouldn't say it's necessarily condescending, I'm not intentionally implying superiority. Perhaps I could have used more apologetic terms, but then it wouldn't be an accurate reflection of my thoughts; I genuinely questioned how people could believe what I perceived to be a load of nonsense.Voluptuous Vuckic wrote:"My family is a mix of Irish Catholic and Church of England, I was sent to a Roman Catholic primary school, and by the age of 8 or so I was already questioning how on Earth anyone could believe this rubbish. I guess I just don't understand people who didn't go through that and just happily sat there and were spoon-fed that tripe because they didn't think to see if there was a more logical option."
It may be your opinion, but you could have put it in less condescending terms
So what you're saying is that intelligent people are closed minded and stupid, while unintelligent people are open minded and clever? And you're also suggesting that the world has improved because of Abrahamic religion?B4E wrote:Why did he pick a 'illiterate and extremely uneducated' part of the world? Just like now, the educated people who think they already have ideas of what and how would maybe resist and reject the God, and how things would of changed if one part of the world simply rejected God.
So, by not understanding his motives, how do you know that God is good or evil?B4E wrote:His motives for creating us is unclear for me. Maybe he wanted to experiment on free will? I don't know. I refuse to believe that Earth is the only thing he concentrates on. Maybe he's staging the largest Age Of Empires game known to anything. Ever. (Your point is very hard to counter, it's one of those things nobody has an universial answer to).
god is a alien who hangs out on the dark side of the moon eating pink wafer bars and injecting jifAmmy wrote:Sorry if this has already been asked.
So, by not understanding his motives, how do you know that God is good or evil?B4E wrote:His motives for creating us is unclear for me. Maybe he wanted to experiment on free will? I don't know. I refuse to believe that Earth is the only thing he concentrates on. Maybe he's staging the largest Age Of Empires game known to anything. Ever. (Your point is very hard to counter, it's one of those things nobody has an universial answer to).
Also, whilst I'm at it, something has always puzzled me about what the modern world considers 'popular' religions, why is God always portrayed as being very like man, with human emotions and temperament? It just seems very odd that a 'higher being' would be very human like in their actions when they would, at the same, be very different from ourselves.
Cue Skalpel to tear this apart because somehow the questions will be inaccurate
I guess that explains the re-branding of the cleaning product to Cif. Wouldn't want that coursing through your veins.The Secret Ingredient wrote:god is a alien who hangs out on the dark side of the moon eating pink wafer bars and injecting jifAmmy wrote:Sorry if this has already been asked.
So, by not understanding his motives, how do you know that God is good or evil?
Also, whilst I'm at it, something has always puzzled me about what the modern world considers 'popular' religions, why is God always portrayed as being very like man, with human emotions and temperament? It just seems very odd that a 'higher being' would be very human like in their actions when they would, at the same, be very different from ourselves.
Cue Skalpel to tear this apart because somehow the questions will be inaccurate
We'll get there eventually; if you presented quantum mechanics to the inventor of the wheel, it'd be like giving an ant a calculator. You're right, making assumptions is a bad idea. Instead we should gradually build up a solid understanding of the universe through reason and evidence, standing on the shoulders of the work of our ancestors. It is what we have done successfully for millennia, it's what has led us to this privileged age, and it's what stands directly at odds with belief in a god.DavideDuck wrote:The way I see it, we can't even begin to try and understand how and why we're here. If the answer was presented upon us, it would probably be like giving an ant a calculator. I see it in the sense that making any assumptions about the world we live in is unwise, whether it be the assumption that there's an all powerful deity or that the universe came to being 'just because'.
Do you really think we'll reach that point though? What exactly is "there"? Do you mean total understanding of the meaning of life? Am I asking too many questions?skalpel wrote:We'll get there eventually; if you presented quantum mechanics to the inventor of the wheel, it'd be like giving an ant a calculator. You're right, making assumptions is a bad idea. Instead we should gradually build up a solid understanding of the universe through reason and evidence, standing on the shoulders of the work of our ancestors. It is what we have done successfully for millennia, it's what has led us to this privileged age, and it's what stands directly at odds with belief in a god.DavideDuck wrote:The way I see it, we can't even begin to try and understand how and why we're here. If the answer was presented upon us, it would probably be like giving an ant a calculator. I see it in the sense that making any assumptions about the world we live in is unwise, whether it be the assumption that there's an all powerful deity or that the universe came to being 'just because'.