Are you patriotic?
Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2012 6:16 pm
Why/why not?
A short question but I'd just like to know people's opinions on the matter.
A short question but I'd just like to know people's opinions on the matter.
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This, entirely. Summed it up better than I could.skalpel wrote:No. Patrioism is 'devoted love, support, and defense of one's country; national loyalty', therefore I am not patriotic; I have no reason to offer devoted support and love to, or to take pride in, any one particular country over all others. I dislike the concept of patriotism to begin with because it is merely an extension of tribalism; which is a form of blind support that I can't say I'd be happy to be consciously guilty of, despite all humans lapsing into this instinct at times anyway. And then looking at my home country; there is so strikingly little of it that I can be proud of, from the structure of its government to its media and popular culture, that I actually have no foundations on which to claim to be a patriot without being blatantly hypocritical.
Short answer: No, I dislike patriotism as a rule because I couldn't subscribe myself blindly to loving one place purely because I happened to be born there. Also I know no country that I would like enough on the whole to be devoted to.
These.Smudger wrote:This, entirely. Summed it up better than I could.skalpel wrote:No. Patrioism is 'devoted love, support, and defense of one's country; national loyalty', therefore I am not patriotic; I have no reason to offer devoted support and love to, or to take pride in, any one particular country over all others. I dislike the concept of patriotism to begin with because it is merely an extension of tribalism; which is a form of blind support that I can't say I'd be happy to be consciously guilty of, despite all humans lapsing into this instinct at times anyway. And then looking at my home country; there is so strikingly little of it that I can be proud of, from the structure of its government to its media and popular culture, that I actually have no foundations on which to claim to be a patriot without being blatantly hypocritical.
Short answer: No, I dislike patriotism as a rule because I couldn't subscribe myself blindly to loving one place purely because I happened to be born there. Also I know no country that I would like enough on the whole to be devoted to.
Exactly, it just means your proud of where your from, theres nothing wrong with that.The Dream Boat wrote:Loving your own country doesn't mean you have to hate all others or think you are superior to them.
But that's the question I'm asking, why are you proud?Obertans Magic Head wrote:Exactly, it just means your proud of where your from, theres nothing wrong with that.The Dream Boat wrote:Loving your own country doesn't mean you have to hate all others or think you are superior to them.
Because this is where im from. Im proud to be from the north east, im proud to be from England, Im proud to be British. There is no real reason except that this is where im from.I want curly hair wrote: But that's the question I'm asking, why are you proud?
Yet you support a football team, a form of 'tribalism'?skalpel wrote:No. Patrioism is 'devoted love, support, and defense of one's country; national loyalty', therefore I am not patriotic; I have no reason to offer devoted support and love to, or to take pride in, any one particular country over all others. I dislike the concept of patriotism to begin with because it is merely an extension of tribalism; which is a form of blind support that I can't say I'd be happy to be consciously guilty of, despite all humans lapsing into this instinct at times anyway. And then looking at my home country; there is so strikingly little of it that I can be proud of, from the structure of its government to its media and popular culture, that I actually have no foundations on which to claim to be a patriot without being blatantly hypocritical.
Short answer: No, I dislike patriotism as a rule because I couldn't subscribe myself blindly to loving one place purely because I happened to be born there. Also I know no country that I would like enough on the whole to be devoted to.
This. Everyone here is a football fan, perhaps the most pathetic form of tribalism there is in the world. You can't explain it you just love your team. I don't know why I joined the armed forces, just a sense of duty.Obertans Magic Head wrote:Because this is where im from. Im proud to be from the north east, im proud to be from England, Im proud to be British. There is no real reason except that this is where im from.I want curly hair wrote: But that's the question I'm asking, why are you proud?
I don't feel a sense of pride or devout loyalty to the team though. I don't think it even needs mentioning that I'm possibly the forum member who is the least interested in football but I still enjoy following the sport and I'd argue that it's nothing to do with tribalism at all. If you have a favourite snooker or tennis player and watch him regularly does that mean that you are acting through tribalism? I'd say no, it's a form of entertainment which you don't have to back up with devout pride and loyalty. Like I said immediately after the part you put in bold, all humans are innately tribalistic to a certain degree; we have our favourite things that we latch onto, we're social creatures and creatures of habit. But as for being consciously tribalistic; offering my unfailing pride, loyalty and support I can honestly say I'm not like that at all when it comes to sport.You'veBeenTiote'd wrote:Yet you support a football team, a form of 'tribalism'?
This.nobbys trumpet wrote:I am grateful for where I was born, but I am not patriotic.