The Marlon Santos Thread (OFF - failed work permit)

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The Marlon Santos Thread (OFF - failed work permit)

Post by Speedo » Thu Aug 09, 2018 9:33 am



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Re: The Marlon Santos Thread (£1.5m loan fee agreed; awaiting work permit)

Post by Chappy » Thu Aug 09, 2018 9:42 am

Another loan <diva>
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Re: The Marlon Santos Thread (£1.5m loan fee agreed; awaiting work permit)

Post by lassassinblanc » Thu Aug 09, 2018 9:53 am

Given that we needed a hearing for a 25 time capped Japanese international who cost 9.5m and was given wages over 45k, I sincerely doubt we will get a work permit for 12 time U20 Brazil player who has played a total of 25 senior top flight appearances for a measly 1.5m loan fee
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Re: The Marlon Santos Thread (£1.5m loan fee agreed; awaiting work permit)

Post by Speedo » Thu Aug 09, 2018 10:07 am

lassassinblanc wrote:
Thu Aug 09, 2018 9:53 am
Given that we needed a hearing for a 25 time capped Japanese international who cost 9.5m and was given wages over 45k, I sincerely doubt we will get a work permit for 12 time U20 Brazil player who has played a total of 25 senior top flight appearances for a measly 1.5m loan fee
That's not how it works, fees don't necessarily matter - it's a points system.

Criteria Points Pass/fail for Santos
The value of the transfer fee being paid for the player is in the top 25% of all transfers to Premier League clubs in the previous 2 windows 3 points FAIL
The value of the transfer fee being paid for the player is between the 50th and 75th % of all transfers to Premier League clubs in the previous 2 windows 2 points FAIL
The wages being paid to the player by the applicant club is in the top 25% of the top 30 earners at the club 3 points Unclear - possible pass
The wages being paid to the player by the applicant club are between the 50th and 75th % of all the top 30 earners at the club 2 points Unclear - probable pass
The player’s current club is in a Top League and the player has played in 30% or more of the available domestic league minutes 1 point FAIL
The player’s current club has played in the group stages or onwards of the Champions League, Europa League or the Copa Libertadores within the last 12 months and the player has played in 30% or more of the available domestic league minutes 1 point PASS

You need 4 points - so if his salary is in the top 25% of top 30 earners (which would make his salary >£40k I'd imagine) then he'll get the work permit. That said - from some quick googling, it looks like his salary is more like £20,000.

Muto got his permit because he fulfilled the wages and Top League clause, plus most likely his fee was in the 50th-75th percentile, which would give him 6 points minimum.
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Re: The Marlon Santos Thread (£1.5m loan fee agreed; awaiting work permit)

Post by Asprillasfurcoat » Thu Aug 09, 2018 10:15 am

Considering you can't take anything back to Sports Direct for a refund, fatty loves his sale or return, doesn't he ? We've got more loans on the go than a Pennywell loan shark
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Post by Bodacious Benny » Thu Aug 09, 2018 10:26 am

Can be play LB tho.
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Re: The Marlon Santos Thread (£1.5m loan fee agreed; awaiting work permit)

Post by Slim999 » Thu Aug 09, 2018 10:28 am

Are we not limited to 2 loans

We now have Keneddy and Robson?

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Post by CIH » Thu Aug 09, 2018 10:32 am

2 domestic loans. I think you can have four overall.

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Post by Colly » Thu Aug 09, 2018 10:48 am

Keneddy and Robson. <laugh>

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Re: The Marlon Santos Thread (£1.5m loan fee agreed; awaiting work permit)

Post by lassassinblanc » Thu Aug 09, 2018 11:57 am

Newcastle have increased their bid (6m) for Federico Fernandez mustn't be good news for Santos
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Post by lassassinblanc » Thu Aug 09, 2018 12:55 pm

As expected

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Re: The Marlon Santos Thread (£1.5m loan fee agreed; awaiting work permit)

Post by Bodacious Benny » Thu Aug 09, 2018 1:00 pm

I'm shocked, you mean you can't get a work permit granted in a matter of hours?!
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Re: The Marlon Santos Thread (£1.5m loan fee agreed; awaiting work permit)

Post by lassassinblanc » Thu Aug 09, 2018 1:02 pm

Bodacious Benny wrote:
Thu Aug 09, 2018 1:00 pm
I'm shocked, you mean you can't get a work permit granted in a matter of hours?!
You can. he obviously failed the initial assessment criteria and we couldn't wait to go through the appeal process as we did with Muto
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Re: The Marlon Santos Thread (£1.5m loan fee agreed; awaiting work permit)

Post by Bodacious Benny » Thu Aug 09, 2018 1:08 pm

lassassinblanc wrote:
Thu Aug 09, 2018 1:02 pm
Bodacious Benny wrote:
Thu Aug 09, 2018 1:00 pm
I'm shocked, you mean you can't get a work permit granted in a matter of hours?!
You can. he obviously failed the initial assessment criteria and we couldn't wait to go through the appeal process as we did with Muto
I'd be amazed if anything like that can be done in a few hours with the Home Office (our whichever public body) does these things...
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Re: The Marlon Santos Thread (£1.5m loan fee agreed; awaiting work permit)

Post by lassassinblanc » Thu Aug 09, 2018 1:10 pm

Bodacious Benny wrote:
Thu Aug 09, 2018 1:08 pm
lassassinblanc wrote:
Thu Aug 09, 2018 1:02 pm


You can. he obviously failed the initial assessment criteria and we couldn't wait to go through the appeal process as we did with Muto
I'd be amazed if anything like that can be done in a few hours with the Home Office (our whichever public body) does these things...
You can be given a professional work permit if enough criteria is met , he would of course not be able to play until the full permit came through that would usually be a few days
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Re: The Marlon Santos Thread (£1.5m loan fee agreed; awaiting work permit)

Post by Remember Colo » Thu Aug 09, 2018 1:38 pm

What were they doing even wasting their last hours trying to bring him in? It's their job to know and understand these things, and it seems pretty obvious he was always going to fail the permit process - especially without the opportunity of an appeal.

But I'd add, is there a (major) footballing country harder to get a work permit? The revised system from a couple years ago seems kinda ridiculous.

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Post by lassassinblanc » Thu Aug 09, 2018 1:47 pm

I'm over Colo wrote:
Thu Aug 09, 2018 1:38 pm
What were they doing even wasting their last hours trying to bring him in? It's their job to know and understand these things, and it seems pretty obvious he was always going to fail the permit process - especially without the opportunity of an appeal.

But I'd add, is there a (major) footballing country harder to get a work permit? The revised system from a couple years ago seems kinda ridiculous.
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Re: The Marlon Santos Thread (£1.5m loan fee agreed; awaiting work permit)

Post by Ol' Dirty Bas Dost » Thu Aug 09, 2018 2:17 pm

lassassinblanc wrote:
Thu Aug 09, 2018 1:47 pm
I'm over Colo wrote:
Thu Aug 09, 2018 1:38 pm
What were they doing even wasting their last hours trying to bring him in? It's their job to know and understand these things, and it seems pretty obvious he was always going to fail the permit process - especially without the opportunity of an appeal.

But I'd add, is there a (major) footballing country harder to get a work permit? The revised system from a couple years ago seems kinda ridiculous.
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Re: The Marlon Santos Thread (£1.5m loan fee agreed; awaiting work permit)

Post by lassassinblanc » Thu Aug 09, 2018 2:30 pm

Says it all

Marlon Santos failed to get a work permit for his move to Newcastle United because the Premier League would not endorse his move.

Santos is a Brazilian under-20 international but has never played for the senior team so he didn’t qualify automatically. And because he is a back-up option, Newcastle couldn’t persuade the Premier League to give them dispensation.

At just £1.5million as a loan fee and on low-ish wages, there was no justification for the move, the Premier League ruled.

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Re: The Marlon Santos Thread (£1.5m loan fee agreed; awaiting work permit)

Post by omegaprimevkm » Fri Aug 10, 2018 10:34 am

lassassinblanc wrote:
Thu Aug 09, 2018 2:30 pm
Says it all

Marlon Santos failed to get a work permit for his move to Newcastle United because the Premier League would not endorse his move.

Santos is a Brazilian under-20 international but has never played for the senior team so he didn’t qualify automatically. And because he is a back-up option, Newcastle couldn’t persuade the Premier League to give them dispensation.

At just £1.5million as a loan fee and on low-ish wages, there was no justification for the move, the Premier League ruled.

Better off with Fernandez
For sure, particularly when paying the extra money means we sign an experienced Premier League defender who is comfortable with the manager already too.

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